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The 16-inch MacBook Pro is a repudiation of the ‘Ive Doctrine’

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Re: The 16-inch MacBook Pro is a repudiation of the ‘Ive Doctrine’

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Post by joeyzm »

kalleboo wrote: post #5

Even on the iOS side, iPhones have been getting thicker and heavier for every generation since the iPhone 6 (2014) On the Mac, the issue has more been they prioritized design over functionality. On the iOS side, the only functionality we lost to the design obsession was a headphone jack, maybe some battery life, whereas on the Mac we lost far more (such as being able to type). If an iPhone redesign made the keyboard…

I'm not convinced removing the headphone jack was purely a design decision, but rather strengthening apple's position in the accessories market, as it is able to control the software side of bluetooth headphones, making high margin airpods more attractive. With a headphone jack the playing field was flatter for other headphone manufacturers.

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1234_uuuuu wrote: post #6
raxxorrax wrote: post #2

Wow, this website eats CPU processing power like candy. It distracts from reading if your fan screams at you.

I'm amazed just how many websites my '19 MacBook Air struggles with. That's not an indictment of the Air, which I bought fully cognizant of the battery / heat / power tradeoffs. The Air is happy to run native design, etc. software. The only time I feel its performance limitations is when I'm browsing the goddamned web . Running a Pro most of the time it's easy to overlook just what utter pigs many websites are today.…

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Post by willis936 »

nextos wrote: post #7

I think Ive needed Jobs to provide some user feedback he would listen to ahead of product release. Without Jobs, it's taken Apple years to get keyboards back on track. Which is absurd given that their desktop keyboard is really good. I haven't bought any Apple products for years, except for their peripherals. Their touchpad is excellent, and there's no other alternative in the market I know of that works decently in…

What keyboard has high latency?

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Post by scarface74 »

Jason mentioned it on his podcast, but I didn’t see it in the article. The iPhone 11 Pros are also moving into the right direction. They are heavier, slightly thicker and have better battery life.

The Apple battery cases have always been a case of function over form. They have always been butt ugly, but more functional than third party cases.

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Post by paulryanrogers »

samdixon wrote: post #8

I find discussions like this extremely disingenuous. It's much like discussing the lifestyles and personal choices of celebrities. You don't know what the lifestyles of celebrities are really like, just as you don't really know what it's like inside apple's design team. It's all speculation.

But we do know the output. And for those of us using the products for years at a time, at no small expense, the investment is significant

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Post by filleokus »

samdixon wrote: post #8

I find discussions like this extremely disingenuous. It's much like discussing the lifestyles and personal choices of celebrities. You don't know what the lifestyles of celebrities are really like, just as you don't really know what it's like inside apple's design team. It's all speculation.

Yeah. I hope me (and something like HN) still exists whenever someone in the know actually writes a memoir about this period of Apple's history.

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Post by slantyyz »

nextos wrote: post #7

I think Ive needed Jobs to provide some user feedback he would listen to ahead of product release. Without Jobs, it's taken Apple years to get keyboards back on track. Which is absurd given that their desktop keyboard is really good. I haven't bought any Apple products for years, except for their peripherals. Their touchpad is excellent, and there's no other alternative in the market I know of that works decently in…

I think the synergy of the Ive-Jobs relationship was that Ive was the "how it looks" guy, and Jobs was the "how it works" guy, and the "how it works" guy always had final say on a product.

Looking at the past few years, it seems clear that the "how it looks" guy was the one with final say on a product.

Re: The 16-inch MacBook Pro is a repudiation of the ‘Ive Doctrine’

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Post by scarface74 »

jmull wrote: post #14

> ...the Ive Doctrine: Always strive for the next version of your product to be thinner and lighter than the current one. I guess this guy hasn't noticed the phones getting thicker and heavier over the last several years.

Seeing that Jason Snell worked fine MacWorld for over a decDe before he went independent, I think he knows some things about Apple’s products.
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