Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

China

drewdevault.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

271–280 of 497 posts

Re: China

#271

Post by jjcc »

hohohmm wrote: post #117
ThisIsBrilliant wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Winnie the pooh. Tainamen square

If there was much sympathy for the students in the Tiananmen square incident, it's now totally wiped clean by the Hong Kong rioting. Use YouTube, it does slightly better than your main stream fake news.

It was also a big surprise that there's a significant change of the altitude towards Tiananmen Square incident. It's less obvious in the comments on Youtube but more on Chinese social media that are invisible to English readers.

No body support killing innocent people but many people think differently than before.

Re: China

#272

Post by imgabe »

Barrin92 wrote: post #154
snagglegaggle wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't know the steady state is harm to poor Americans. That Americans are poor is likely a consequence of the current trade imbalances.

>That Americans are poor is likely a consequence of the current trade imbalances. This story is improbable because the overwhelming majority of America's poorest are employed in the domestic service industry who are not facing negative exposure to international trade. Every store clerk, every McDonalds worker, every garbage man, cleaning lady, janitor, nanny, teacher and so on will be one-sided losers of an increase…

What if they are only in those jobs because there are no factory jobs for them? If we started employing a lot of factory workers, they would have to come from somewhere. A lot would come from worse jobs. This would also make labor scarcer for those jobs allowing the people who do them to demand higher wages and better conditions.

Re: China

#273

Post by ufmace »

scarmig wrote: post #235
mc32 wrote: post #2

>”It’s economically productive for the 1% to maintain a trade relationship with China. The financial incentives don’t help any Americans, and in fact, most of us are hurt by this relationship...” So true, since its inception with GHW, its execution and realization through Clinton and then once fully engaged the timid, supplicant responses from GW and BO, China has contributed to the stagnation of the blue collar work…

The biggest issue with Trump isn't his domestic policies, which aren't too divorced from typical Republican ones. It's not even his uncouth persona. The biggest issue with him is how he's destroyed our system of alliances, which administrations of both parties have defended and cultivated over decades. See, for instance, https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/11/18/china-signs-defe... . This is disastrous. It's insane…

> because Trump blackmailed an important ally

Allegedly blackmailed, which nobody who was actually involved corroborates, to investigate exactly how it is that Joe Biden's son managed to get a very high-paying make-work job on the board of a Ukrainian oil company, and Joe Biden bragged on videotape about how he did infact blackmail the Ukrainian Government to fire the prosecutor who was investigating that.

What we're discovering is not that Trump is that out there. It's that the entire US Government and political elite has been that out there for many years now, and the entire mainstream media conspired to ignore it and cover it up. As they are continuing to do now.

Re: China

#274

Post by jdkee »

What is discounted is the value of a decent middle class job to a high school graduate in many parts of the country. The qualitative value of that loss of human happiness to pride, satisfaction, purpose is not measured by traditional economists. Now, 25 years out from NAFTA and the start of major deindustrialization in the Midwest we are seeing the fruits of those globalist policies. The rise of deaths of despair which is reducing lifespan for middle aged males in the United States.

This is the tragedy so silently born by The many that eludes the “but Wal-Mary lowered prices” crowd that is enriched by free trade.

Re: China

#275

Post by gscott »

spacehunt wrote: post #49

As a Hong Konger, thank you for writing this. One nitpick: Hong Kong has its own legal definition of "rioting". It's from the Public Order Ordinance[1], and carries a maximum 10 years jail sentence. The entire law itself is quite draconian and was struck down in the final days of British rule, but was reinstated immediately after the handover. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Order_Ordinance

When China took the book sellers they prosecuted them in China under Chinese laws. It stands to reason China could take and prosecute some "rioters" under Chinese law and Chinese implications.

https://qz.com/1110266/two-years-later-the-last-of-the-vanis...

Re: China

#276

Post by brodouevencode »

novok wrote: post #129

I don't think that the cheaper goods that China gave the world only benefited the %1, and actually has helped a lot people in america and the world. I also don't think that the economic miracle that has happened in China is a bad thing, and they could of been more singaporean/south korean authoritarian vs. genocidal authoritarian to achieve it. I really want china to become another Japan or Korea eventually. I do agr…

> I do agree with you that China is basically a modern day nazi germany, pre WW2 at this point.

That's part of my frustration with all of this w.r.t. the Hong Kong riots. China has been this way for _decades_. Finally we get some western exposure to just how determined the CCP are to control their citizenry. I hope the resistance and world exposure keep pressure on the CCP, but honestly I don't see them caving. (If you think western politics has it's problems look no further than the CCP as an example of what real dogma is all about). I know an all-out civil war would leave a country full of wonderful people in ruins, but I don't see any other way around dismantling the CCP.

Re: China

#277

Post by godtoldmetodoit »

bduerst wrote: post #251
keiferski wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not sure these economists have spent time in the Rust Belt, then. Entire cities were economically destroyed from the offshoring of jobs to China and other low-cost areas.

Where do you think the jobs in the rust belt came from? The same thing happened to artisan economies with factories during modernization, yet people didn't decry the loss of the local blacksmith when the rust belt took over their jobs too. The transition from local to city to regional to global specialization is a natural effect of economies of scale. Trying to freeze economic development and preserve the status quo…

There was most certainly massive push back against industrialization. The Luddite movement being one obvious example.

In the US we ended up with 40 hour work weeks, and universal high school as a government response. We will need similar large measures to deal with globalization and automation this time as well.

Re: China

#278

Post by nailer »

simlevesque wrote: post #212
baby wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s a lot of mainland people in the US who think the western medias are all biased and that they are helping HK to separate from China.

> There’s a lot of mainland people in the US who think the western medias are all biased Isn't it ? I mean, I don't respect China much but this is not a false statement.

Personally I'm biased in favour of rights. If HK ruled over China I'd be in favour of Chinese independence.

I want Beijing to have universal suffrage just as much as I want the Cantonese to.

Re: China

#279

Post by natch »

ddevault wrote: post #27
maximente wrote: post #12

i applaud your willingness to publish this content under your real name, and also understand your real name is closely associated with your software service. i understand that gives you a certain amount of power that other employees, say of Apple, may not have. kudos to you for using it fruitfully - sincerely. i am sure this will come across as tin foily, but i would advise you to monitor your digital assets and mayb…

Author here. Thank you for your earnest concern. I'm a pretty risk-averse person and I take lots of pains to address those contingencies for all of my digital services.

Hi author, wondering what you think China should do with the organs of executed prisoners? It’s easy to find fault with them for (presumably) not asking for permission but it seems it would be a pity for them not to be used to help patients in need, no? This is separate from the question of what supposed crimes led to the execution. Short waiting lists can be explained by the lack of permission not only for executions but for all deaths of healthy people... not to defend China on other points, but this one seems like a odd concern possibly just zeroed in on for dramatic emotional effect, rather than for any actual practical reason.

Re: China

#280

Post by godtoldmetodoit »

Analemma_ wrote: post #219
siffland wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have someone I work with who quite literally mocks people for voting for a 3rd party and actually tries to "shame" them for it, usually using a line like "which means he is voting to keep the incumbent in" (usually with more colorful words about the incumbent and the voter). Voting 3rd party exercises your right to say you don't like either of the other 2 candidates. I will not argue which candidate it will help, b…

> Voting 3rd party exercises your right to say you don't like either of the other 2 candidates You can say whatever you want, but no one is listening. Voter turnout is so low that the signal of voting 3rd-party is completely lost in the noise of passive non-voting. 3rd-party votes might feel good, but pragmatically (and what is voting except a pragmatic attempt to advance your preferred policy), they are useless. I e…

In a Presidential election it really depends on the state you vote in. California is going team blue no matter what, Alabama team red. Voting 3rd party in one of those states is not going to change the outcome.

Florida, Michigan, Wisconsin etc the calculation totally changes of course.

Post reply on HN