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Re: We ‘may’ have discovered a potential remedy for tinnitus

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I'd love to go to a concert for audiophiles - no distortion at all, just loud clear music. There's no need for it to be so stupendously loud, especially if the audience is able to shut the fuck up and actually listen.

Have you considered classical music? Perhaps opera?

I don't _mind_ it, but it's not something I'd make a priority to go see. They certainly have the acoustics figured out.

Re: We ‘may’ have discovered a potential remedy for tinnitus

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There are many calls for personal responsibility here. But I think the average person is not making a choice to sustain permanent hearing damage – most people don't know the risks. I used to own a decible meter. I brought it to a movie theater (large chain) and found sustained volume of 100+ decibels. It was physically painful. I was the only customer who complained to the theater. I asked what sound level they inten…

I served in the Air Force and did a 9 month tour in Afghanistan preceded by 3 months of combat skills training. We were issued ear plugs and used them religiously. Turns out they were defective and now I have permanent hearing loss in my right ear and tinnitus in both ears. https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2019/02/14/...

There was a radio advertisement about a class action settlement over those ear plugs. You should look it up.

Re: We ‘may’ have discovered a potential remedy for tinnitus

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I went once to a session like this out of curiosity. I had cramps. A friend who’s just finished Uni being a GP told what is going on: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respiratory_alkalosis Is the medical term. Note this is not the “excess of oxygen” that you feel the effects of - but the lack of CO2. Human body keeps the Ph of the blood in a really tight band - and if it swings outside of it one or the other direction…

Okay, so this tinnitus thing is an informal experiment that I'm organizing for people who are interested. Which is a thing that is perhaps worthy of discussion. But I feel you're mixing too much new age stuff with hard science. Let's get some facts here and see where we agree and perhaps diverge. Fact 1: the WHM gets you high on adrenaline [1]. It's actually higher than peak adrenaline during bungee jumping. In [1] i…

Ah, my comment was only my experience/opinion about the “spirituality by a half an hour long hyperventilation”, not WHM. Sorry for not making the context clearer.

As for WHM itself, and experimenting with it - why not, if going into it carefully and with clear conscience...

On the experimentation topic - I am curious - did you also try the link posted elsewhere in this discussion - https://github.com/generalfuzz/acrn ?

Thank you for the link to the paper, very interesting!

Re: We ‘may’ have discovered a potential remedy for tinnitus

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This reminds me of the technique that went viral via Reddit a couple of years ago: https://lifehacker.com/this-weird-trick-might-give-you-brief... I don't suffer from tinnitus, but I know people who do and some of them have said that this helped them.

I wonder if that works for motion sickness too. Going on a cruise soon. I'll have to try it.

Re: We ‘may’ have discovered a potential remedy for tinnitus

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I went once to a session like this out of curiosity. I had cramps. A friend who’s just finished Uni being a GP told what is going on: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respiratory_alkalosis Is the medical term. Note this is not the “excess of oxygen” that you feel the effects of - but the lack of CO2. Human body keeps the Ph of the blood in a really tight band - and if it swings outside of it one or the other direction…

> I went once to a session like this out of curiosity. I had cramps. A friend who’s just finished Uni being a GP told what is going on: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respiratory_alkalosis Is the medical term. That's actually funny, because "what is actually going on here" was the very first question I had, but it seemed to me like this thought didn't even cross the mind of the other 10 in attendance - I even asked…

> It's interesting how differently we all think about the world.

Absolutely. I am convinced that difference in the approach also affects the view of spirituality as well.

> I saw absolutely no sign of this being true in my session. Everyone enjoyed themselves immensely and there was a strong sense of bonding and peace...

The group I was in was a mix - probably 40% of people who definitely were going through a tricky time in their life (if wearing a T-shirt with “nobody loves me” may be any indication of that). And most of the remaining ones were the happy looking bunch.

The debrief felt okay and fine, but one of the participants explained he needed help during the exercise and he wasn’t given it, and the “teacher” had a kinda uncomfortable interaction with that person at that point.

> Did you get any results out of your session? Characterizing this as a scam or a placebo effect makes me think it didn't work for you?

With my “effects” of the hyperventilation being the cramps, and the “funny” moment during the debrief, I didn’t get any enlightenment :-)

I won’t really call it a scam - since most if not all of our perception of the world is defined by the brain chemistry, much like with drugs, I can see how this may have some effects - especially with some preconditioning. If it helps someone - why not. Placebo is a powerful mechanism.

> I don't see how being a GP would equip someone in any way for having superior insight on such topics, unless they are speaking only to the qualitative medical risk aspect?

Yeah, precisely. The feedback was basically “there is no conclusive research that this is good for you. Meditation does have such research”.

As for spirituality: In my view no one is qualified to tell another person about it in an assertive fashion. Any representation of a higher order system within a lower order system will be necessarily slightly different - that’s why it is everyone’s personal journey. :-)

Re: We ‘may’ have discovered a potential remedy for tinnitus

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Unless you're a chipmunk that's an impressively and worryingly high rate.

One presumes that's what the beta blockers are for.

Yup. With beta blockers I have a perfectly healthy heart rate and blood pressure. Other products work well for the blood pressure in my case, but not the heart rate.

Re: We ‘may’ have discovered a potential remedy for tinnitus

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This reminds me of the technique that went viral via Reddit a couple of years ago: https://lifehacker.com/this-weird-trick-might-give-you-brief... I don't suffer from tinnitus, but I know people who do and some of them have said that this helped them.

I wonder if that works for motion sickness too. Going on a cruise soon. I'll have to try it.

From my experience, seasickness can be countered by:

Getting on the upper deck for fresh air

Having a full stomach

If all else fails, sleep

Seeing the horizon vs focusing on a fixed point on the ship helps some people and harms others - experiment to see what works for you.

The other thing I've found is if you let it get bad you'll be in trouble until you get ashore. Take measures to fix it before it gets bad. This might include drugs - I'd always take dramamine if sailing into bad weather.

Also, everybody gets seasick eventually. Anyone who claims they don't simply hasn't been in a rough enough sea for long enough yet. There's no shame in taking care of yourself.

One last trick - ships have a metacentre that they rotate about. Ask a deck officer where on the ship you can get closest to it - it's the point where the movement of the ship will be minimised.

Re: We ‘may’ have discovered a potential remedy for tinnitus

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I've been using Hearos. I'm curious how different the Earasers are in terms of flatness. With the Hearos I can push them further into the ear to make things quieter, but the more attenuation, the less flat the sound is. I tend to pull them out a bit so that it's a little louder but flatter. Either way, it's real nice to leave a concert without concert-ear.

I do exactly the same thing with the earasers and some of the other brands, but haven't tried hearos. Just my two bits, but I don't think the different brands are all that different. Some seem a bit bigger or smaller, some cost more or less. Of course I can't say that for sure about a brand I haven't tried though.

I just use cheap foam ones (classic 3m ones they use in industrial plants), still sounds tons better.

In the UK the bar staff have to have some behind the bar for them to use, and they're usually happy to give them out if I forget mine.

Re: We ‘may’ have discovered a potential remedy for tinnitus

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I had a ringing for a weekend and found and used this extensively https://github.com/generalfuzz/acrn I remember it being after some loud event. But I honestly can't remember. It went away. But it might not have been tinnitus and just an ear infection. Or it might have helped, I'm just one sample size.

I followed up on the research article this is based on, which is from 2013. In short: it has been reasonably well cited and followed up on with additional studies, and there is statistically significant improvements in tinnitus in experiments---but as of yet, still not enough data to recommend clinical usage. The technique is based on trying to desychronize maladaptively synchronized neurons in the auditory center wh…

Are there any downsides to listening to this ?

Re: We ‘may’ have discovered a potential remedy for tinnitus

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post #315

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> I went once to a session like this out of curiosity. I had cramps. A friend who’s just finished Uni being a GP told what is going on: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respiratory_alkalosis Is the medical term. That's actually funny, because "what is actually going on here" was the very first question I had, but it seemed to me like this thought didn't even cross the mind of the other 10 in attendance - I even asked…

> It's interesting how differently we all think about the world. Absolutely. I am convinced that difference in the approach also affects the view of spirituality as well. > I saw absolutely no sign of this being true in my session. Everyone enjoyed themselves immensely and there was a strong sense of bonding and peace... The group I was in was a mix - probably 40% of people who definitely were going through a tricky…

> The group I was in was a mix - probably 40% of people who definitely were going through a tricky time in their life (if wearing a T-shirt with “nobody loves me” may be any indication of that). And most of the remaining ones were the happy looking bunch.

My session felt similar, the older people in the group seeming to be dealing with ongoing issues from past experiences, whereas the younger people while very sincere about the whole thing seeming to be mostly there more for spirituality as a lifestyle reasons. They all seemed happy and extremely supportive of each other.

> With my “effects” of the hyperventilation being the cramps, and the “funny” moment during the debrief, I didn’t get any enlightenment :-) I won’t really call it a scam - since most if not all of our perception of the world is defined by the brain chemistry, much like with drugs, I can see how this may have some effects - especially with some preconditioning. If it helps someone - why not. Placebo is a powerful mechanism.

I'm very curious, have you ever taken a significant amount of psychedelic drugs followed by sitting in a quiet dark room for several hours? My intuition suggests not.

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