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Re: "Google Stadia is not a product that exists because people want it"

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Post by larnmar »

Crinus wrote: post #113
ArmandGrillet wrote: post #36

I want Stadia. I've read reviews yesterday and was amazed by the lack of a long term vision from the reviewers. If Google doesn't drop the ball (which is a huge if knowing the company's history), Stadia makes a lot of sense. I want to play Red Dead Redemption 2, the cheapest way to do that as I don't have a console nor an expensive computer is Stadia. And when I will want to play Cyberpunk 2077, Stadia will be the ch…

> the lack of a long term vision How about this for a long term vision: any game you buy now will be totally lost in the future ("long term") when Google decides to shut down the service (which happens all the time) or deactivate your account (which also happens all the time) while developers will have moved on and/or closed and wont give a second thought about. In the meanwhile, while Stadia exists, any games will b…

Doesn’t sound that bad. Most of the games I’ve ever bought, I theoretically could but practically couldn’t play right now if I felt like it — I might still have the disc/cartridge somewhere but the old console won’t plug into a new TV or else I’d need to find some ancient computer hardware.

Re: "Google Stadia is not a product that exists because people want it"

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Post by im3w1l »

playerqq wrote: post #124
ArmandGrillet wrote: post #36

I want Stadia. I've read reviews yesterday and was amazed by the lack of a long term vision from the reviewers. If Google doesn't drop the ball (which is a huge if knowing the company's history), Stadia makes a lot of sense. I want to play Red Dead Redemption 2, the cheapest way to do that as I don't have a console nor an expensive computer is Stadia. And when I will want to play Cyberpunk 2077, Stadia will be the ch…

> I want Stadia. I've read reviews yesterday and was amazed by the lack of a long term vision from the reviewers. If Google doesn't drop the ball (which is a huge if knowing the company's history), Stadia makes a lot of sense. I disagree that the reviewers lacked long term vision. Nearly all of seem to have been burned by the promise of videogame streaming before, and the current state of Stadia only inspires cautiou…

Google has one thing that previous actors didn't have. A lot of machine learning to schedule on idle cpu & gpu. Because of that they can potentially provide the service at lower cost.

Re: "Google Stadia is not a product that exists because people want it"

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Post by rawoke083600 »

Gheesh I would def want stadia ! I no longer have to fret over which bodypart to sell for the latest in graphics cards or wonder should I rather go the console route. Which version of WINE should I try to use today.

I think if the Stadia experience works(technically speaking) it might just be the "new way" and make the "old way" well feel old !

Like Uber(the concept not the cmpy). Prev I had to look up a taxi's company number... phone them and tried to tell a person what my address is (keep in mind in my country we have 11 official languages, can you imagine the accents and trying to correctly spell your address over the phone), after that I have to phone them a few times to ask "Where are you" etc...

I hope cloud gaming will be the new thing ! I can't keep up buying graphics cards and lugging my desktop to my gf's house.

Google please make Stadia work !!

Re: "Google Stadia is not a product that exists because people want it"

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Post by nitemice »

skybrian wrote: post #188
Crinus wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the lack of a long term vision How about this for a long term vision: any game you buy now will be totally lost in the future ("long term") when Google decides to shut down the service (which happens all the time) or deactivate your account (which also happens all the time) while developers will have moved on and/or closed and wont give a second thought about. In the meanwhile, while Stadia exists, any games will b…

Okay but why? When you walk out of a movie theater you don't have anything. Was it still a good movie? Maybe longevity is overrated? If you play a game for a month or two and enjoyed it, it's worth the price. Rental services make this explicit.

I think it really comes down to the kinds of games you play, and the way you like to play them.

If you tend towards single-player, story-based games, like Red Dead etc., then maybe playing through it once and moving on is enough for you. Then again, maybe you'll want to come back to it in 3, 4, 5 years, and hopefully you'll be able to with Stadia, but with a disc/download you definitely should be able to.

On the other hand, if you play multiplayer, "live-service" games, as many are pushing to be these days, then you're already at the mercy of the dev/publisher to keep supporting the game so you can play it in the future. In that case, it become a question of who will give up support first, Google or the developer?

In either case, I think the Xbox Pass-style "all-you-can-eat" model is a better solution. No big, upfront cost for any single game, and you can still go back to something older, as long as it remains supported.

Re: "Google Stadia is not a product that exists because people want it"

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Post by drusepth »

magashna wrote: post #554
drusepth wrote: post #358

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I feel like they're giving a free fighting game because they understand their market. The biggest worry people have before they try it is latency, but almost everyone that's sat down to play it so far has talked about how it feels nearly indistinguishable from a console latency-wise. A game that demands low latency (like a fighting game) is a great way to demo how noticable (or not) the latency is on your setup befor…

> but almost everyone that's sat down to play it so far has talked about how it feels nearly indistinguishable from a console latency-wise. Nearly every review I've seen mentions that there's just enough latency for it to not feel good, with some visual stuttering occasionally.

I think I've seen one or two reviews from people that have actually tried it and say they noticed latency/lag, with dozens of reviews from people who haven't tried it saying that would probably be the case. The other reviews so far (that I've seen, I guess) have all been from people effectively saying they might not even realize they were streaming from the cloud if they didn't know otherwise.

Mine gets here tomorrow though, so I guess I'll wait and see for myself.

Re: "Google Stadia is not a product that exists because people want it"

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Post by sidcool »

I think the current version of Stadia is just the beginning. Eventually most big techs will offer cloud gaming. It's going to be glitchy for some time. I am very optimistic on the future of stadia. People giving negative reviews seem to be missing the long term vision. I hope the naysaying does not discourage Google, Microsoft or even Apple.

Re: "Google Stadia is not a product that exists because people want it"

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Post by ativzzz »

suby wrote: post #444
blfr wrote: post #420

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I run Linux and LineageOS because I care about controlling my computers and data. But I don't care about games. They're games. They're not important. They're not art worth preserving. It's just a little entertainment. A risk of "losing" a game that I would probably not play again anyway is a perfectly reasonable trade-off for a hassle free gaming experience.

I'm sure a lot of people feel the same as you, but I very much disagree. If games aren't art worth preserving, then neither is television, movies, music, etc. I don't see how one can claim those mediums are art but games are somehow not.

> If games aren't art worth preserving, then neither is television, movies, music, etc

They're not, unless you're willing to pay extra for them to be.

Netflix is not preservable, DVDs are.

Spotify is not preservable, CDs/MP3s are.

Most of the stuff we watch/listen to is on non-preservable media, and for the most part, we don't care.

If you really love a certain movie or song/album, you will buy it separately. Why not the same with games?

Re: "Google Stadia is not a product that exists because people want it"

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Post by shard972 »

Macha wrote: post #525
bathtub365 wrote: post #174

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Is download time a significant factor for people with the types of connections that will have a good experience on Stadia? It’s my understanding that downloading a large game in a timely fashion and streaming it are both bandwidth-intensive. As for “terabyte-sized games” are there any of those on the market, or even on the horizon? At some point it’s either outside of the budget of most games to produce that many ass…

We're not at terabyte yet, but 80-100gb is becoming increasingly common. Even the crash remakes are coming in at 30gb, and that wasn't that High budget a title.

So after playing crash for an hour Ive already streamed the entire game's worth of bandwidth. I assume people who buy the crash trilogy would play on average longer than an hour so I don't see the upside in efficiency.

Re: "Google Stadia is not a product that exists because people want it"

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Post by kemitche »

AlexandrB wrote: post #208
skybrian wrote: post #188

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Okay but why? When you walk out of a movie theater you don't have anything. Was it still a good movie? Maybe longevity is overrated? If you play a game for a month or two and enjoyed it, it's worth the price. Rental services make this explicit.

This is actually the perfect comparison. I can still watch movies from the 1950s on various media. Good luck playing a Stadia exclusive in 2090 in any format. Treating games like a disposable commodity is short-sighted and undermines any claim the medium might have to being an art form.

Plenty of platform exclusive games from decades ago are readily available on new platforms today. I'm not sure your argument makes sense, unless you're saying you bought a movie IN the 1950s and are still watching it today.
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