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Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by brailsafe »

simonh wrote: post #404
brailsafe wrote: post #335

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I feel like much of these claims are only in the past. I used my 2009 Macbook for 5 or so years, and it only lasted that long because I was able to upgrade it. It came with a comical 2GB of ram, and that would have been a trash—as in worthless to me—if it couldn't be upgraded. I was able to sell it, only because they're desirable, and they used to be more reliable. The latter quality is not so evident any more. Many…

>I feel like much of these claims are only in the past. It's not actually possible to buy a new Mac with less than 8GB RAM these days, and that seems likely to be plenty for a typical user for the lifetime of a machine bought today. 128 GB SSD is a bit tight, but flash drives are cheap. I see it the opposite way, in the past minimum Mac specs always seemed miserly, but nowadays they're pretty capable.

Now 8Gb is a decent baseline, but it took a very long time to get there for a very expensive computer.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by brailsafe »

Sangeppato wrote: post #431
brailsafe wrote: post #335

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I feel like much of these claims are only in the past. I used my 2009 Macbook for 5 or so years, and it only lasted that long because I was able to upgrade it. It came with a comical 2GB of ram, and that would have been a trash—as in worthless to me—if it couldn't be upgraded. I was able to sell it, only because they're desirable, and they used to be more reliable. The latter quality is not so evident any more. Many…

On the other hand, my 2014 15" MBP didn't come with less than 16Gb and still packs a quad-core 45w CPU, a decently fast SSD, a crazy good chassis and trackpad and a bright hi-dpi display. I think it's still better than most of the 800-900€ 15" new laptops offered today, but it's not upgradable. My only issue with it is the battery which will fail sooner or later, but it shouln't be too hard to remove it.

I was quite fond of my 13" from late 2013. One of the major differences that I find quite distressing is the soldered on SSD in most if not all new models. Good luck with data recovery if necessary.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by cassianoleal »

boardwaalk wrote: post #418
cassianoleal wrote: post #86

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Personally, I prefer the MBP2015 keyboard to the Magic Keyboard. I have been to an Apple Store recently to try out the MBP16's keyboard and it's good - but not as good as the one I'm typing this on. I also don't understand the obsession with key stability on the corners. I like the instability. I use it when I'm touch typing - it gives my fingers a lot more tactile feedback.

Can you really tell if you don’t like the older keyboard more because of familiarity after a few minutes with the new one? I can’t. I just got the Magic Keyboard and it’s still growing on me after a few days.

I can, mostly because my main computer has the first-gen butterfly keyboard - the worst I've ever had the displeasure to type on.

I'm not even used to typing on the MBP2015 anymore, but every time I pick it up (which is every few weeks in general) it's just great.

The Magic Keyboard (both the external ones and the MBP16's) is good, just not as good.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by cassianoleal »

dannyw wrote: post #245
torgian wrote: post #242

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That probably means the keyboard isn’t that good ;) Sloppiness shouldn’t make it feel better.

Instability allows you to know exactly where your fingertip is positioned once you know it.

Exactly this. Also, the instability means the keyboard is more forgiving of small aim mistakes.

If my finger presses 10% of the wrong key and 90% of the right one, key stability on the corners will mean the keyboard registers both. On the 2015 keyboard it only registers the one I meant. The fact that it wobbles also gives my fingers an extra milisecond to adjust position if it feels it's wrong.

It's also more obvious when I did hit the wrong place and I can automatically reach for the backspace/delete key without even thinking or noticing the wrong key visually on screen.

It's overall a more fluid typing experience.

This is especially useful when I'm typing at night or if my fingers are not moving optimally - like when they're cold or otherwise tight or tired.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by cassianoleal »

ksec wrote: post #266
cassianoleal wrote: post #86

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Personally, I prefer the MBP2015 keyboard to the Magic Keyboard. I have been to an Apple Store recently to try out the MBP16's keyboard and it's good - but not as good as the one I'm typing this on. I also don't understand the obsession with key stability on the corners. I like the instability. I use it when I'm touch typing - it gives my fingers a lot more tactile feedback.

>I also don't understand the obsession with key stability on the corners. I like the instability. I use it when I'm touch typing - it gives my fingers a lot more tactile feedback. This!. Along with smaller Keys and hence more spacing between keys. Little things like these you dont appreciate but you will notice once they are gone. I love the instability.

Yes, smaller keys is nice too. The MBP16's are smaller than the ones on the butterfly but larger than the 2015's.

Again, good. But could be better.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by _ph_ »

criddell wrote: post #455
_ph_ wrote: post #237

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It is not obvious to me that screws would be less stiff than rivets. I am fine with such a laptop not being "user serviceable", but it should be designed so that a trained technician with the right tools can do these kind of repairs. I consider the statements of Apple about the environment friendlyness of their devices phony, as long as a keyboard defect can total the device or at least mean, that large parts of the…

> I consider the statements of Apple about the environment friendlyness of their devices phony, as long as a keyboard defect can total the device or at least mean, that large parts of the device have to be changed, which aren't defective. It's a tough question to definitively answer. Are there greater environmental costs to producing and using screws rather than rivets? If so, how does that balance against the enviro…

The numbers would need to be very low to make that difference. There are other reasons to change your keyboard beyond defects: language adjustments. Here in Europe we have over 20 different languages with different keyboard layouts...

And in any case, even if it were a theoretical environmental gain - should the burdon for that lie on the consumer, who randomly looses her or his device, just so that every laptop is a tiny bit more efficient (and the effect would be really tiny)? Shouldn't in this case Apple carry the additional cost for repairs?

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by Razengan »

munmaek wrote: post #379
jonny383 wrote: post #296

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Wireless, fair enough. But are you really ignorant enough to think it's not productive to 1. Buy a stick of RAM / new or bigger SSD from your provider of choice online 2. Open the delivery package and install it in your computer in 3 minutes And get another three years out of your device? Or how about, when your Macbook breaks and you need to take it to a genius bar only to have them tell you that you need to order e…

"are you really ignorant enough to" "it's because of people like you" That's certainly one way to get people to immediately stop listening to you. Parent merely was talking about the wireless cards.

GP has extremely vitriolic comments like [0]:

> Haskell is a community of cancerous people that should die, along with cancer.

This being a tech discussion forum, I really think dang and other HN admins should count attacks based on people's choice of tech as a form of hate speech against any other groups.

Such attacks only distress readers and the buildup of noise from the inevitable responses gradually devolves this place down to the Reddit/4chan tier.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21571130

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by ping_pong »

hbosch wrote: post #184
ping_pong wrote: post #163

I just bought one and have been using it for a couple of days. So far so good. I still hate the TouchBar because it's completely useless, but the Esc key and directional keys was enough for me. I also have a 2018 MBP from work and the keyboard is shit. Within 3 weeks it was doubletyping and putting random .'s everywhere. I was days away from buying the top end Vaio and then I heard the news about the new MBP and deci…

> putting random .'s everywhere. For anyone else having this problem, the new MBPs ship with the same autocorrect "feature" that comes on iOS where when you press spacebar twice (or, I should say, your keyboard thinks you pressed the spacebar twice) it inserts a period automatically. In addition, newer MBPs automatically capitalize and autocorrect spelling, like on mobile. You can disable this. I did, and, I don't th…

for me it's strictly a keyboard issue.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by movedx »

ping_pong wrote: post #163

I just bought one and have been using it for a couple of days. So far so good. I still hate the TouchBar because it's completely useless, but the Esc key and directional keys was enough for me. I also have a 2018 MBP from work and the keyboard is shit. Within 3 weeks it was doubletyping and putting random .'s everywhere. I was days away from buying the top end Vaio and then I heard the news about the new MBP and deci…

> I still hate the TouchBar because it's completely useless

I don't have one, but I just can't fathom how you can't make use of it? I'm looking forward to using it for all kinds of things -- notifications, quick glance information, context aware keys, and more.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by jotm »

dkonofalski wrote: post #474
jotm wrote: post #36

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That's because Apple is the only hardware provider for Mac OS X. If you just want Windows or Linux, you have a lot of choices. If you want OS X, there's no choice but to put up with whatever hardware Apple gives you.

That's not entirely true with Hackintoshes being a thing now.

That's only for exalted characters with nice hats and beards.

If you want to run MacOSX legally without risking a lawsuit from Apple (they even went after a repair shop, FFS), you must use their hardware, as per the license agreement.

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