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Re: We ‘may’ have discovered a potential remedy for tinnitus

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Post by com2kid »

pedrocr wrote: post #129

Finding a cure or treatment for tinnitus would be awesome. I have a very mild case from a few too many loud concerts. What I find amazing is how we don't attack the source of the problem much that I can see. Concerts, clubs, fireworks, even movies blast away above any reasonable level, causing damage to large parts of the population. We all just get progressively damaged hearing bit by bit. And yet there's very littl…

> What I find amazing is how we don't attack the source of the problem much that I can see.

I always wear ear plugs at the very few concerts I go to. I otherwise avoid loud noises except for airplanes flights, where I've been on a few where I didn't have hearing protection.

I only have problems at night. Had a hearing test, no hearing loss. Over 30 and I can hear up to 17,500hz. (Which also appears to be around the frequency my tinnitus is at.)

I'm still trying to find the why (doctors are generally unhelpful here, "well it can just happen when you get older"...) I think that using noise cancelling headphones makes it worse, and last time I was on vacation it wasn't present.

Re: We ‘may’ have discovered a potential remedy for tinnitus

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Post by core-questions »

lazyasciiart wrote: post #155
debatem1 wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it isn't. There are three related reasons why. First, we don't exclusively experience a concert through our ears. The reason people use words like "thumping" to describe bass is because it's felt as much as heard. That experience is important to many forms of music, and it isn't possible to get it at low volume. The second is that the relative volume of different instruments is usually more important to the sound…

Sure, you shouldn't expect to cuddle the speakers - but I go to live shows in small venues where I'm trying to dig myself into the wall at the furthest point from the speakers because it's too loud. They just need to turn it down.

I'd love to go to a concert for audiophiles - no distortion at all, just loud clear music. There's no need for it to be so stupendously loud, especially if the audience is able to shut the fuck up and actually listen.

Re: We ‘may’ have discovered a potential remedy for tinnitus

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Post by __david__ »

microtherion wrote: post #153
mattmanser wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I regularly go to concerts with earplugs, often it sounds better with them in, especially if the volume is too loud or treble is too high.

A few years ago, after a Ministry concert which was off the scale loud (or maybe I just have become off the scale old for this kind of music), I bought a pair of Earasers ( https://www.earasers.store ) and the few times I had to wear them, they worked great, protected my ears while being fairly transparent, and did wonders for my enjoyment of the music.

I've been using Hearos. I'm curious how different the Earasers are in terms of flatness. With the Hearos I can push them further into the ear to make things quieter, but the more attenuation, the less flat the sound is. I tend to pull them out a bit so that it's a little louder but flatter. Either way, it's real nice to leave a concert without concert-ear.

Re: We ‘may’ have discovered a potential remedy for tinnitus

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Post by kick »

core-questions wrote: post #182
lazyasciiart wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, you shouldn't expect to cuddle the speakers - but I go to live shows in small venues where I'm trying to dig myself into the wall at the furthest point from the speakers because it's too loud. They just need to turn it down.

I'd love to go to a concert for audiophiles - no distortion at all, just loud clear music. There's no need for it to be so stupendously loud, especially if the audience is able to shut the fuck up and actually listen.

Have you considered classical music? Perhaps opera?

Re: We ‘may’ have discovered a potential remedy for tinnitus

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Post by kick »

lazyasciiart wrote: post #155
debatem1 wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it isn't. There are three related reasons why. First, we don't exclusively experience a concert through our ears. The reason people use words like "thumping" to describe bass is because it's felt as much as heard. That experience is important to many forms of music, and it isn't possible to get it at low volume. The second is that the relative volume of different instruments is usually more important to the sound…

Sure, you shouldn't expect to cuddle the speakers - but I go to live shows in small venues where I'm trying to dig myself into the wall at the furthest point from the speakers because it's too loud. They just need to turn it down.

Or you could just not go.

There's no reason other people should have to compensate for your sensitivity and lack of willingness to wear hearing protection.

Re: We ‘may’ have discovered a potential remedy for tinnitus

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Post by justin66 »

debatem1 wrote: post #162
lazyasciiart wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, you shouldn't expect to cuddle the speakers - but I go to live shows in small venues where I'm trying to dig myself into the wall at the furthest point from the speakers because it's too loud. They just need to turn it down.

You should probably try larger venues, where reason #3 is on your side. The problem with small venues is that often you really need a lot of volume on guitars, vocals, etc to get the mix right with the drums, and then there isn't any space to soak up that energy. Instead it winds up reflecting off the walls and causing havoc, in addition to just being loud as hell. Of course, that's not to say that there aren't bands…

> You should probably try larger venues, where reason #3 is on your side.

Delay towers make sure that everyone suffers equally in most really large venues.

Re: We ‘may’ have discovered a potential remedy for tinnitus

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Post by apple4ever »

KirinDave wrote: post #110
_8j7i wrote: post #81

Is it possible that tinnitus is actually just a person's inability to ignore natural noise in the hearing systems? More of a physchological issue like chewing fingernails or having OCD, but which can be amplified by legitimate physical hearing damage? I ask this because for all the life I can remember, I've always been able to perceive a high-pitched tone, even in completely quiet environments. If I actually focus on…

Most tinnitus sufferers learn to ignore their noises to some degree. You're like me, where you have figured out how to turn it out. We're lucky sufferers, our noise is fairly constant. Some folks perceive more patterns in their noise, and that makes it much harder to ignore.

I definitely learned to forget it. It was hugely annoying when I first noticed it, but after a time I forgot its there. And even when its quiet and I know its there, I still end up forgetting it.

Re: We ‘may’ have discovered a potential remedy for tinnitus

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Post by biggieshellz »

com2kid wrote: post #181
pedrocr wrote: post #129

Finding a cure or treatment for tinnitus would be awesome. I have a very mild case from a few too many loud concerts. What I find amazing is how we don't attack the source of the problem much that I can see. Concerts, clubs, fireworks, even movies blast away above any reasonable level, causing damage to large parts of the population. We all just get progressively damaged hearing bit by bit. And yet there's very littl…

> What I find amazing is how we don't attack the source of the problem much that I can see. I always wear ear plugs at the very few concerts I go to. I otherwise avoid loud noises except for airplanes flights, where I've been on a few where I didn't have hearing protection. I only have problems at night. Had a hearing test, no hearing loss. Over 30 and I can hear up to 17,500hz. (Which also appears to be around the f…

Keep in mind that noise-induced hearing loss doesn't go from the high frequencies down -- that's presbycusis (hearing loss caused by aging). Noise-induced hearing loss creates a "noise notch" at around 4 KHz due to the anatomy of the ear.

Re: We ‘may’ have discovered a potential remedy for tinnitus

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Post by colanderman »

core-questions wrote: post #182
lazyasciiart wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, you shouldn't expect to cuddle the speakers - but I go to live shows in small venues where I'm trying to dig myself into the wall at the furthest point from the speakers because it's too loud. They just need to turn it down.

I'd love to go to a concert for audiophiles - no distortion at all, just loud clear music. There's no need for it to be so stupendously loud, especially if the audience is able to shut the fuck up and actually listen.

Most concerts I've been to (not all) have been at eminently listenable volumes. There are definitely acts and venues that know not to crank the volume to 11, even for what could be described as "raucous" music.

I remember being pleasantly surprised when I saw Porcupine Tree (a post-progressive/metal act) in concert about a decade ago. I was near the stage yet the volume was so eminently reasonable I didn't even need the earplugs I brought. (No doubt this is related to Steven Wilson also being an audio engineer.)

In sharp contrast, I saw The Mars Volta – similar genre – around the same time. Unenjoyably loud even with good-quality earplugs.

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