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Hospitals pledge to fight admin price transparency plan in court

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I don't think anyone who has had to pay hospital bills would agree with the hospital lobby's decision to fight this. The article's title makes it give the impression this is okay because, orange man bad, however regardless of the party pushing for transparency it is something everyone would benefit from (other than the heal care industry/insurance company's profits).

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Re: Hospitals pledge to fight admin price transparency plan in court

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Americans already have co-pays, deductibles, coinsurance and whatever other terms the insurance industry has cooked up, with no visible effects on costs. In addition to your other changes the following would also help: - Allow competition. Don't give hospitals the power to veto new hospitals in their area. - Disallow regional consolidation of hospital systems and medical practices. Regional monopolies are bad. - Incr…

There's an argument to be made with respect to advertising to physicians, but not the general public. Doctors have limited time and they ought to know what meds are available somehow..

If pharmaceutical reps were "advertising to physicians" in that they provide medical information on how a drug works, why a doctor should prescribe it, potential risks, etc. then I might agree. However, it seems like more often than not pharma reps buy doctors a fancy steak dinner and a lap dance in exchange for pushing legal heroin on every person that walks through the door. I would rather pharmaceutical marketing be made illegal, and instead require doctors to do some kind of continued education on advancements in medication and other relevant info.

https://apnews.com/82f638d6dfcf4193ad28ddf0e65897e1

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/01/30/stripper-...

Re: Hospitals pledge to fight admin price transparency plan in court

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This is IMO the "simple solution" to healthcare - nothing will bring down healthcare costs faster than the following - be allowed to choose - know how much something costs - pay some of the cost themselves (co-pay, health savings account) etc.

That’s just a bunch of platitudes.

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I spent 45 minutes at the hospital where I was to get a lab test done, trying to get a quote for said test. Prescribing doctor didn't know the cost. Lab tech didn't know. Billing department told me I needed a procedure code. Lab tech who was ready to draw blood couldn't tell me the needed code even after spending five minutes at a computer looking for it. Prescribing doctor gave me the code. Called back billing. They…

From a Bogleheads topic titled “How to Minimize Your Emergency Care Expenses”: > Fifth, nobody you interact with at the hospital at the time of your visit has any idea how much anything costs. Part of that is the whole price transparency thing. Those who know the price don't want the front line workers to know it. Part of it is the fact that there are so many moving parts. Medicine gets inappropriately compared to av…

Sure, this is the reason why you can't get an answer but it's not a justification.

There are 2 parts to it. The first, which is reasonable, is that a lot of treatments are bespoke. Fine. That's a justification for their being costly not for your having to imagine the cost because no one can tell you.

Even for flights, the truth is I can get a bespoke flight if I can afford it. And if I want to know how much it is then I ring them up. The idea that you can't know what something costs, until after the event, because it's expensive is perverse.

But the second part, that everyone pays a different price, is solely a function of the lack of transparency and has no justification beyond perpetuating the scam.

Even in that socialist utopia that is the UK, we have private health care. If I wish to use it without insurance, then they'll tell me the cost upfront. If I use it with insurance then they'll tell me the same cost but I'll only pay the excess. At each stage in the process you get the cost information upfront because TBH it's insane to think that you wouldn't.

Honestly, this is a solved problem. The only real reason it's not solved in the US is because a lot of interested parties are very determined that it doesn't get solved.

Re: Hospitals pledge to fight admin price transparency plan in court

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post #7

I don't think anyone who has had to pay hospital bills would agree with the hospital lobby's decision to fight this. The article's title makes it give the impression this is okay because, orange man bad, however regardless of the party pushing for transparency it is something everyone would benefit from (other than the heal care industry/insurance company's profits).

In what way is the article title non-neutral? It seems fine to me. For the record, I oppose the Trump administration but support this action by the Trump administration.

Re: Hospitals pledge to fight admin price transparency plan in court

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thoroughly dislike the bad orange man, but I will save my strongest words for a more appropriate forum. That said, just because you may dislike someone doesn't mean that you have to opposed everything they do. I do agree with this push for price transparency.

Right? I always find myself wondering why antitrust isn’t applicable? The hospitals clearly work together to ensure that consumers don’t have accurate or correct pricing information, which has always seemed like it should be classified as anticompetitive behavior.

I don't think they are working together so much as the system is setup to reward their anti competitive behavior so they all have followed the rewards to the same end.

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This is why we need single payer and to abolish/greatly diminish private insurance. Hospitals and insurance companies continuously demonstrate the failed state of the healthcare market. Market-based healthcare will always be unworkable due to impossible to reconcile conflicting incentives.

Re: Hospitals pledge to fight admin price transparency plan in court

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post #7

I don't think anyone who has had to pay hospital bills would agree with the hospital lobby's decision to fight this. The article's title makes it give the impression this is okay because, orange man bad, however regardless of the party pushing for transparency it is something everyone would benefit from (other than the heal care industry/insurance company's profits).

In what way is the article title non-neutral? It seems fine to me. For the record, I oppose the Trump administration but support this action by the Trump administration.

We took out the trigger word.

Re: Hospitals pledge to fight admin price transparency plan in court

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post #7

I don't think anyone who has had to pay hospital bills would agree with the hospital lobby's decision to fight this. The article's title makes it give the impression this is okay because, orange man bad, however regardless of the party pushing for transparency it is something everyone would benefit from (other than the heal care industry/insurance company's profits).

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You can trade Obama and Trump in the above and get an idea of how a lot of people feel.

The truth is in the middle, nobody is perfect, nobody is pure evil. But once you choose a side you find it hard to see any good in the other. (I often recognize and fight the problem in myself - with no idea how often I miss it)

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