TikTok hits 1.5B downloads, outperforming Instagram • Hacker News Board

Re: TikTok hits 1.5B downloads, outperforming Instagram

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Post by 9dl » Tue, Nov 19, 2019, 5:54 PM UTC

simmanian wrote: post #126

komali2 wrote: post #51

Aight, conspiracy theory time. I'm becoming concerned about PRC influence in my country (USA). From my perspective the PRC (government) is blatantly evil, and happily engaging in cultural warfare, and nobody seems to be fighting back. I see absurd astroturfing and shilling on social media here (Reddit, Twitter, Facebook). It's always obvious - whereas a genuine criticizer of the Hong Kong protestors might ask about v…

I had been worried about the Chinese influence in America for a while in the past, but recently came to the conclusion that the American value system is not at risk of being taken over by the Chinese value system. The American system pushes forward individual freedom, humanism, liberalism, capitalism -- things that transcend the boundaries of race, borders, etc. I would argue these values were quickly adopted by many…

You know, you do not need "export" anything if you occupy territory

And if you have plans for 20-50 years you don't even need military or police force

Just buy any politician and push your ideology and rewrite history books. And in 50 years people can't think that was something else

And 50 years it is a lot. In rusian federation that was done by less that 5 years

1984

Re: TikTok hits 1.5B downloads, outperforming Instagram

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Post by magashna » Tue, Nov 19, 2019, 5:54 PM UTC

Barrin92 wrote: post #158

kp98 wrote: post #93

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The level of infiltration of the 50 cent army on YouTube is absurd. I don't know if you can post links in comments, but try this video on decoupling and read the comments: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSbAZGd_Dj0 some comments from pro CCP: ``` decoupling is good, US collapses faster. ``` ``` Why accuse China of nationalism? In the past they said "Good Christians" and today they say "Patriots". It's the same old t…

sorry, but how do we know that this is an 'infiltration' or paid for content and not just angry Chinese people shitposting on youtube? Because I can go to just about any political video and find comments like this from any nationality. I don't think anyone doubts that there is a large contingent of nationalistic internet users in China which is very often on display, but going from that to asserting that this is coor…

Isn't Youtube banned in China?

Re: TikTok hits 1.5B downloads, outperforming Instagram

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Post by hackernewsboy » Tue, Nov 19, 2019, 5:54 PM UTC

melzidek wrote: post #133

_s4uu wrote: post #104

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The CCP subsidizing a social media platform hurts no one. Meanwhile, are you aware how many countries the US military is simultaneously occupying at the moment? We have become a major evil, hated across the world. Not all Americans want this empire to perpetuate

"The CCP subsidizing a social media platform hurts no one. "

only idiots believe this. tiktok can be an extension of the ccp propaganda grand scheme.

Re: TikTok hits 1.5B downloads, outperforming Instagram

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Post by Xunxi » Tue, Nov 19, 2019, 5:55 PM UTC

Sad to see this devolve into politics and hardly anything about the underlying technology, strategic execution, monetization prospects and the like.

Re: TikTok hits 1.5B downloads, outperforming Instagram

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Post by skinnymuch » Tue, Nov 19, 2019, 5:56 PM UTC

mhluongo wrote: post #31

wil421 wrote: post #13

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There was competition and FB used their war chest to buy them all, sans messenger. They forced people to download messenger to see FB messages on mobile. They also lied and said you had a message when you really didn’t. Just to force the messenger download.

Didn't they acquire Messenger as well? I think it was called Beluga

Beluuga was a pretty basic app. Sure they acquired that. But Messenger is mostly and created by Facebook. Especially because Facebook Chat was already around.

Re: TikTok hits 1.5B downloads, outperforming Instagram

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Post by Barrin92 » Tue, Nov 19, 2019, 5:57 PM UTC

magashna wrote: post #162

Barrin92 wrote: post #158

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sorry, but how do we know that this is an 'infiltration' or paid for content and not just angry Chinese people shitposting on youtube? Because I can go to just about any political video and find comments like this from any nationality. I don't think anyone doubts that there is a large contingent of nationalistic internet users in China which is very often on display, but going from that to asserting that this is coor…

Isn't Youtube banned in China?

pretty trivial to get around with a VPN, or might be Chinese expats I suppose given that they're commenting in English.

Re: TikTok hits 1.5B downloads, outperforming Instagram

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Post by magashna » Tue, Nov 19, 2019, 5:57 PM UTC

lucideer wrote: post #149

kp98 wrote: post #116

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You are wrong: I am familiar with the CS Lewis quote 1) In this case the nation working behind the scenes is China. American imperialism I concede is bad. However, the Chinese have quietly been breaking over 50 international regulations and laws from the WTO and universal declaration of human rights. 2) The Chinese do care what you do. Just last week the Swedish government was going to give an award to an activist in…

I don't think the above commenter was defending China, so much as pointing out that the US does much worse. Each one of your bullets is true, and more extremely applicable to the US.

Chinese organ harvesting is surely beyond what the US is doing.

Re: TikTok hits 1.5B downloads, outperforming Instagram

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Post by ponsin » Tue, Nov 19, 2019, 5:58 PM UTC

I'm surprised that it is so popular but lacks a web interface. I heard a lot about it so I wanted to try it. But I didn't want to try enough to download an app so I have yet to see what do the hype is about. Maybe if the web interface was good enough I would have downloaded the app

Re: TikTok hits 1.5B downloads, outperforming Instagram

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Post by kp98 » Tue, Nov 19, 2019, 5:59 PM UTC

Barrin92 wrote: post #158

kp98 wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The level of infiltration of the 50 cent army on YouTube is absurd. I don't know if you can post links in comments, but try this video on decoupling and read the comments: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSbAZGd_Dj0 some comments from pro CCP: ``` decoupling is good, US collapses faster. ``` ``` Why accuse China of nationalism? In the past they said "Good Christians" and today they say "Patriots". It's the same old t…

sorry, but how do we know that this is an 'infiltration' or paid for content and not just angry Chinese people shitposting on youtube? Because I can go to just about any political video and find comments like this from any nationality. I don't think anyone doubts that there is a large contingent of nationalistic internet users in China which is very often on display, but going from that to asserting that this is coor…

This is not an obvious example of 50 cent army; in fact you're unlikely to find anything that you can incontrovertibly call the CCP. This was an example of Chinese nationalism in general. I watch a ton of US China trade war stuff, the closest thing I could give you to an example of what legitimately appears to be a state actor was triggered by something like this: 'yeah China might be good but gdp per capita america = 60k gdp per capita china = 9k'

Followed by an 8 paragraph monologue about American imperialism, the prison industry, etc.

Of course this isn't verifiable, and maybe you're right, perhaps it is just one angry guy in China. I do not really care who it is, I am just trying to point out how we're quick to flip out about Facebook ads bought in Rubles, yet when it comes to Chinese troll artistry we are completely silent meanwhile Russia is a declining power and China is a mercantilist adversary.

Re: TikTok hits 1.5B downloads, outperforming Instagram

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Post by katbyte » Tue, Nov 19, 2019, 6:00 PM UTC

dv_dt wrote: post #127

logicchains wrote: post #70

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The way I see it, the Chinese government doesn't care what you do as long as you don't challenge it. The US on the other hand seems intent on enforcing its whims everywhere on the globe it can. War on terror, war on drugs, war on encryption, war on financial privacy, war on intellectual property infringement. To quote CS Lewis: "It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. Th…

I think we can criticize both the Chinese Govt as well as our own government. For instance, China sees no holdback from imprisoning and killing anyone on the thinnest of pretenses, it's basically wielding ultimate authoritarian power to ruin or end lives. On the other hand, the US actually wields a similar authoritarian imprisonment power much more frequently than China, actually more than almost any nation in the wo…

> I think we can criticize both the Chinese Govt as well as our own government.

In the west we can criticize our governments and are arguably more free. in china you can't and are arguably less free. I know where i would prefer to live.