"Google Stadia is not a product that exists because people want it" • Hacker News Board

Re: "Google Stadia is not a product that exists because people want it"

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Post by hef19898 » Tue, Nov 19, 2019, 4:12 PM UTC

bobviolier wrote: post #54

ArmandGrillet wrote: post #36

I want Stadia. I've read reviews yesterday and was amazed by the lack of a long term vision from the reviewers. If Google doesn't drop the ball (which is a huge if knowing the company's history), Stadia makes a lot of sense. I want to play Red Dead Redemption 2, the cheapest way to do that as I don't have a console nor an expensive computer is Stadia. And when I will want to play Cyberpunk 2077, Stadia will be the ch…

Yeah this ^ I guess Google did an MVP and everybody is expecting it to be a fully-fledged offering already. That might have been due to Google promoting it as such of course (and asking the price for it). What I also see happening is that as soon as they have a free tier, people are gonna try to play a game for 5 minutes because they saw something on Youtube or somewhere else and then 1 in X will just buy the game on…

MVPs are a great concept, but at least for me Google is way beyond the point to afford a MVP launch. they are Google, with that budget launched products should be a little bit better than that.

DISCLAIMER: Did not check out Stadia, i prefer to play on my own hardware.

Re: "Google Stadia is not a product that exists because people want it"

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Post by lovich » Tue, Nov 19, 2019, 4:12 PM UTC

zaarn wrote: post #105

ArmandGrillet wrote: post #36

I want Stadia. I've read reviews yesterday and was amazed by the lack of a long term vision from the reviewers. If Google doesn't drop the ball (which is a huge if knowing the company's history), Stadia makes a lot of sense. I want to play Red Dead Redemption 2, the cheapest way to do that as I don't have a console nor an expensive computer is Stadia. And when I will want to play Cyberpunk 2077, Stadia will be the ch…

The problem is that cloud gaming already exists and many providers did a better job than Google. Even the latency shouldn't be an issue, I've cloudgamed to a DC in the netherlands with 2ms of latency but apparently somehow Google manages to fuck that up somehow. I doubt Google will continue Stadia, the press is already bad, the product is bad, it'll likely be dusted in a few years, leaving the product owners out of a…

wouldn't 2ms be <400 miles of travel? Youd have to be pretty close to the datacenter to get 2ms of latency when the computer needs time to do calculations as well

Re: "Google Stadia is not a product that exists because people want it"

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Post by bathtub365 » Tue, Nov 19, 2019, 4:16 PM UTC

skybrian wrote: post #188

Crinus wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the lack of a long term vision How about this for a long term vision: any game you buy now will be totally lost in the future ("long term") when Google decides to shut down the service (which happens all the time) or deactivate your account (which also happens all the time) while developers will have moved on and/or closed and wont give a second thought about. In the meanwhile, while Stadia exists, any games will b…

Okay but why? When you walk out of a movie theater you don't have anything. Was it still a good movie? Maybe longevity is overrated? If you play a game for a month or two and enjoyed it, it's worth the price. Rental services make this explicit.

When buying a game on Stadia is the same price as buying it on other platforms but with the downside of a total loss of control or ability to play offline it becomes less attractive.

Re: "Google Stadia is not a product that exists because people want it"

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Post by plorkyeran » Tue, Nov 19, 2019, 4:16 PM UTC

jasonkester wrote: post #95

This is the sort of product that the Big Tech Companies build because they happen to live in the one place on earth where it will work. There is evidently a small area centered around the San Francisco Bay Area where internet connectivity is ubiquitous and perfect. You get unlimited 5G coverage with 2ms ping times and hundred gigabit fibre into every habitable structure. And Google, Apple, etc. all have their offices…

TIL I actually have perfect 5G coverage and not incredibly flaky 4G that drops every time my BART train goes underground or when I ride my bike around a hill.

The SF Bay Area's internet infrastructure is much worse than you think, and I regularly find myself without a working mobile signal and I don't have the option of fiber at home.

Re: "Google Stadia is not a product that exists because people want it"

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Post by jcranberry » Tue, Nov 19, 2019, 4:16 PM UTC

Crinus wrote: post #113

ArmandGrillet wrote: post #36

I want Stadia. I've read reviews yesterday and was amazed by the lack of a long term vision from the reviewers. If Google doesn't drop the ball (which is a huge if knowing the company's history), Stadia makes a lot of sense. I want to play Red Dead Redemption 2, the cheapest way to do that as I don't have a console nor an expensive computer is Stadia. And when I will want to play Cyberpunk 2077, Stadia will be the ch…

> the lack of a long term vision How about this for a long term vision: any game you buy now will be totally lost in the future ("long term") when Google decides to shut down the service (which happens all the time) or deactivate your account (which also happens all the time) while developers will have moved on and/or closed and wont give a second thought about. In the meanwhile, while Stadia exists, any games will b…

Movies still come out on disc even though netflix and streaming services in general have been very successful. I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be the same with games.

Re: "Google Stadia is not a product that exists because people want it"

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Post by cannonedhamster » Tue, Nov 19, 2019, 4:17 PM UTC

javajosh wrote: post #156

raxxorrax wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not so sure. Downloading, updating, installing are certainly no issues if the bandwidth problem is solved. It just isn't really a hassle today for people with good connections. Maybe it will capture the casual market, but there are disadvantages to the platform. Just think of modding as an example. It might capture some console players, but I am not sure if they pull off even that, since the service is actually…

> Downloading, updating, installing are certainly no issues if the bandwidth problem is solved. No. The problem's of proper system administration go far beyond issues of bandwidth. To apply a positive change you have to know about it, find it, download it, install it, and configure it. Not to mention it helps to understand the content of the patch, how it applies, and the social/technical context of the patch. And wi…

Steam automatically updates your games. Windows 10 automatically installs updates for your system. Chocolatey automatically updates your apps. And your driver software automatically updates your drivers if you choose. Everything on my computer automatically updates without my intervention unless I choose to intervene right now. With GNU/linux it's even easier with package managers. Same with Mac.

Re: "Google Stadia is not a product that exists because people want it"

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Post by odessacubbage » Tue, Nov 19, 2019, 4:17 PM UTC

cptskippy wrote: post #151

ArmandGrillet wrote: post #36

I want Stadia. I've read reviews yesterday and was amazed by the lack of a long term vision from the reviewers. If Google doesn't drop the ball (which is a huge if knowing the company's history), Stadia makes a lot of sense. I want to play Red Dead Redemption 2, the cheapest way to do that as I don't have a console nor an expensive computer is Stadia. And when I will want to play Cyberpunk 2077, Stadia will be the ch…

> I've read reviews yesterday and was amazed by the lack of a long term vision from the reviewers. Maybe it's because most reviewer are jaded because it's industry standard for gaming companies to promise the world and deliver on only a small part of that. In general when a gaming company says "and we're going to do..." that's generally qualified with "if there's enough user adoption and demand". To believe in Stadia…

to believe in stadia, you need to engage in magical thinking that allows you to believe that google has somehow managed to solve network latency and america's laughable internet infrastructure and just forgot to tell everyone.

Re: "Google Stadia is not a product that exists because people want it"

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Post by higeyuki » Tue, Nov 19, 2019, 4:18 PM UTC

ArmandGrillet wrote: post #36

I want Stadia. I've read reviews yesterday and was amazed by the lack of a long term vision from the reviewers. If Google doesn't drop the ball (which is a huge if knowing the company's history), Stadia makes a lot of sense. I want to play Red Dead Redemption 2, the cheapest way to do that as I don't have a console nor an expensive computer is Stadia. And when I will want to play Cyberpunk 2077, Stadia will be the ch…

Can I play offline? This is a deal breaker for me. I am not a multiplayer gamer. I prefer solo play.

Also data usage being a Comcast user with a 1TB cap and a 4K TV, it is not really economical unless you are very casually using it.

"At the best possible quality, Stadia will use 35 Mbps of data per second, or about 15.75GB per hour. At Google's recommended minimum quality, Stadia will use about 4.5GB per hour."

Re: "Google Stadia is not a product that exists because people want it"

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Post by scott_s » Tue, Nov 19, 2019, 4:18 PM UTC

d--b wrote: post #145

I work remotely. My computer is in New York and I live in Paris. It works very well. I don’t understand the long rant about explaining why people don’t want remote computers. Then Stadia, as a casual gamer I’d be more than happy to pay $2 every now and then rather than paying 300 for a device I don’t buy $60 games for. There you go

I don't think that's the pricing. The device itself is about $130, $10 a month for the service, and then you will likely pay $20 - $60 for each game. Yes, they will eventually have a catalogue of games like Netflix, but similar to Netflix, it may not have the game you want to play now. See https://www.theverge.com/2019/11/18/20970297/google-stadia-r...

Re: "Google Stadia is not a product that exists because people want it"

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Post by birdyrooster » Tue, Nov 19, 2019, 4:18 PM UTC

CoolGuySteve wrote: post #184

birdyrooster wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t know what games you play, but in home streaming is too much lag for me on basically any game. For myself, 144hz is a requirement because 60fps is a slide show. The resolution would need to be increased as 1080p looks terrible, so that is unacceptable too.

Have you considered that you might not be the target audience for a $10/month game streaming service?

I don’t know what their target audience could possibly be. If the game is so visually unappealing that the customer doesn’t care about frame rate or resolution, then it’s likely they already have the capability to render that with the console they already have. Stadia needs to convince people they have a better product than what consumers have today. Instead it looks like a step down and you still have to pay full price for the games. People can finance a console purchase over a couple years for a little more money and enjoy their experience more while having a structured monthly payment.