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MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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I love how Apple claim to care so much about the environment and then goes on to create basically the most unfixable pieces of hardware possible. Great job, really awesome for the environment Apple.

+ they will be charging absurd amount for small fixes that were possible to do on own. example RAM is soldered to the logic board!

Forget about the RAM. The SSD is also soldered to the logic board. That's ridiculous.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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This is part of why I bought an E4xx instead of a T4xx, the RAM isn't soldered on in the E4xx line, so that's at least one thing I can fix that I can't on a T4xx.

Only the TXXXs models come with soldered memory. I can easily change memory, SSD, keyboard etc on my T470.

The t490 not s has soldered ram. I think even rhe 590 has soldered ram (at least one slot)

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I went with my gf to take a look at these last night at the Apple store. Her command key has completely stopped working on her 2018 MacBook that otherwise works perfectly fine. It feels clumsily large, especially since we’re coming from MacBook 13s. She kept asking me if I’d heard any rumors about when new 13s would come out. She went in pretty determined to get a new machine but decided to wait. The struggle continu…

I recently bought a used 2015 13inch MPB. Extremely happy.

That's what I'm replacing with the 16" now. I work with external displays and the Intel Iris is the weak link for me. Other than that I've been really happy with the 2015 13"!

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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So no upgradable RAM, no upgradable storage. If either stops functioning, you have to change the entire logic board (including the CPU and GPU? I'm not sure). Wow this is a crappy design. But expected, since this is Apple that we're talking about.

What's interesting about this perception is that PC vendors who do the same things don't catch flak. Presumably because there are still options for PC that are at least theoretically repairable and built to last. I wonder what would happen in a hypothetical world where there were pro and non-Pro Apple laptops, but the only real difference between them were that the Pro laptops had replaceable parts, and were however…

But then again as you pointed out, it's all hypothetical. It could easily be the other way around.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

+ they will be charging absurd amount for small fixes that were possible to do on own. example RAM is soldered to the logic board!

Forget about the RAM. The SSD is also soldered to the logic board. That's ridiculous.

isn't this for performance purposes?

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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I love how Apple claim to care so much about the environment and then goes on to create basically the most unfixable pieces of hardware possible. Great job, really awesome for the environment Apple.

I don't understand this comment. So something is difficult to fix; how does this make the components any less recyclable, less free of harmful toxins?

Apple has a fairly comprehensive recycling system, to strip their own systems apart and reclaim reusable components. Are you suggesting when people take their MacBooks to get replaced that Apple are just throwing them in a landfill or something?

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

#309

I love how Apple claim to care so much about the environment and then goes on to create basically the most unfixable pieces of hardware possible. Great job, really awesome for the environment Apple.

i don't get it. what does one thing have to do with the other? i assume no-one's going to throw their macbook in the trashcan anytime soon, so i don't see the connection between the ability to repair the device and how bad that device is for the environment.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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I love how Apple claim to care so much about the environment and then goes on to create basically the most unfixable pieces of hardware possible. Great job, really awesome for the environment Apple.

Only a tiny percentage of laptops are ever upgraded. If making the device upgradable and accessible adds the same percentage in materials then it's pretty much a wash.

Also Apple devices on average have much longer service lives than devices from most other manufacturers. On average they stay usable longer, and even when they are replaced they're more likely to be handed on and keep in use even without upgradability. This is why they retain more of their second hand value. That factor alone is dramatically more significant from a whole lifecycle impact point of view.

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