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MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by nbevans »

pwthornton wrote: post #16
webwielder2 wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Magic Keyboard design is not the 2012-2015 MBP keyboard design, it's the design from their line of external keyboards. iFixit's jokey intro is misleading in this regard.

This is correct. The Magic keyboard has been beloved for several years, and it is not a keyboard that has ever been in a laptop before.

I have a full size Magic keyboard (because my MBP 2018 keys started dying and they couldn't guarantee same-day repair) and it really isn't all that.

Sometimes I get a similar feeling as the MBP keyboard in that it seems to "miss" keystrokes, or get them in the wrong order. Though admittedly the worse MBP characteristic of doubling or tripling up a single keystroke is not there.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by ksec »

tolmasky wrote: post #165

I went with my gf to take a look at these last night at the Apple store. Her command key has completely stopped working on her 2018 MacBook that otherwise works perfectly fine. It feels clumsily large, especially since we’re coming from MacBook 13s. She kept asking me if I’d heard any rumors about when new 13s would come out. She went in pretty determined to get a new machine but decided to wait. The struggle continu…

Blame it on Intel.

I doubt Apple will make a new 13" just for the Keyboard. It will require some other improvements, like for the 16", they got larger display, better CPU and GPU. The problem with the 13" is they dont come with Discreet GPU, which means Apple will have to wait for new Intel Icelake, with Better CPU and iGPU before releasing an update.

Intel Icelake platform will also come with WiFi6.

I am not sure if Apple want to release a 13"MBP with better Wireless Spec than its bigger 16" brother. So the likelihood of 13" releases is when they update their 16" again with Icelake as well.

But the problem with Intel Icelake is 10nm. And judging from the current retail Icelake solutions, the chances of Intel lying again with 10nm yield is extremely high. And that is why all of a sudden you see Intel PR and Marketing team on fire in the past few months, keep sharing their roadmap and their forth coming tech. From GPU to OneAPI etc.

May be in Intel will finally fix their 10nm problem in time for another update in WWDC or earlier, if not I hope Apple will switch to AMD.

Edit: And I would also like to point out, the so called Better Thermals, Bigger Battery, only when comparing to 2016+ MBP, they are roughly the same in 2015 MBP.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by asadkn »

clay_the_ripper wrote: post #64
Tepix wrote: post #11

It‘s not a very professional device if you can‘t upgrade the storage and the memory. The Mac Pro will feature modular SSDs (and they aren‘t even super fast). I wonder if Apple will use something proprietary or standard M.2 NVMe modules. They probably can‘t offer PCIe 4.0 slots since they‘re using Intel which is trailing behind.

Im so tired of these comments on HN. Some people want a laptop they can pull apart and fix themselves. Those people should buy something else. when I was younger and had more time than money, I used to upgrade RAM and the SSD myself. Then I started making money. Then it became seriously dumb to spend 2 hours doing all that nonsense when I can just pay upfront to get a maxed out RAM and Hard drive. Can’t afford it? Th…

Apple store techs can't really fix stuff. All they can do is replace and it takes 3-10 days depending on country.

Yeah, when their batteries swell up twice in 3 years, and they take 11 days each time and you're out of your main workstation for that long? See how that compares with an hour fixing it yourself.

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Post by skohan »

victorvation wrote: post #233
alberth wrote: post #50

Call me crazy but I must be the only person who enjoys typing on the old butterfly keyboard. Yes I was one of those people who originally thought the travel was too small but after using it for a couple hours I found the low travel was a huge relief to Carpal Tunnel and I also typed much faster. Maybe I have the only keyboard that “works” but I love me some butterfly keyboards.

I actually prefer the butterfly keyboard's clickiness – coming from a mechanical keyboard, I always found the chiclet keys a tad too mushy. And the jarringly-short travel, while annoying at first, is easy to adapt to. The thing that turned me against the butterfly keyboard were the reliability issues. I've had to get replacements for broken keyboards three times: spacebar stopped working, `f` ended up double typing e…

Same. I love typing on it, and my reliability issues haven't been as bad as yours, but occasionally having 2 'a's come out instead of one is very annoying for a command-line driven workflow.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by skohan »

usaphp wrote: post #240
grapehut wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The complaint (or at least, mine) isn't that they're bad -- it's that they're unreliable. I'm literally on my 3rd butterfly keyboard.

I am starting to think that it’s more to do with how people type, rather then a keyboard quality. Most people who get them break - go through 3-4 keyboards in a year. I am still using my 2017 butterfly and have not had a single issue with a keyboard. So it’s either 0 or 3+ replacements

I think it might be more about how much contact your keyboard has to particulates. The primary mode of failure has to do with dust/crumbs/etc getting into the mechanism. It's not impossible to imagine that people who type in more particulate-rich environments have frequent keyboard issues.

But that's still victim blaming. There are plenty of keyboard designs which are not this fragile, and you shouldn't have to dust-proof your workspace to avoid hardware failures. We're not making CPUs here.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by ksec »

For those who are not in a hurry to upgrade, ( If you are on 2015 MBP ), the next upgrade which should be soon, will get you WiFi 6 and Icelake, with 20%+ IPC and hopefully Apple will throw in 10 Core Config in as well.

I kind of felt Apple rushed as the problem with Keyboard were big enough and Apple had to release something to calm the market, not to mention Intel 10nm Icelake is late as usual.

And of all the thing Apple backtrack, I really wish they bring back AirPort Extreme.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by visarga »

matthewmacleod wrote: post #261
hvidgaard wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If 64GiB of ram makes that difference, doesn't that work belong on a workstation with the power to handle it?

Right, and this machine moves further towards a portable workstation by embedding more power, allowing people to do some tasks on-site that would have previously required a fixed workstation. The “but why would you want a powerful portable machine” argument has always seemed really strange to me. It’s the same reason I’d want any portable machine.

The more powerful, the less portable. It's a tradeoff.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by jerrre »

ksec wrote: post #277

For those who are not in a hurry to upgrade, ( If you are on 2015 MBP ), the next upgrade which should be soon, will get you WiFi 6 and Icelake, with 20%+ IPC and hopefully Apple will throw in 10 Core Config in as well. I kind of felt Apple rushed as the problem with Keyboard were big enough and Apple had to release something to calm the market, not to mention Intel 10nm Icelake is late as usual. And of all the thing…

do you have a source?
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