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Re: Jimmy Wales has quietly launched a Facebook rival

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Post by dredmorbius »

Someone1234 wrote: post #47
pwinnski wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To call HN a social network is to redefine the term to apply to any website that allows comments. It's really not.

That's how the US Government defines it. If you want a US Visa you need to tell them your HK account.

The PDF you link (downstream) does not include a definition.

The DF-160 form lists a set of social networks, not otherwise accessable that I've found, here:

https://ceac.state.gov/GenNIV/General/complete/complete_cont...

Included are: Ask.fm, Douban, Flikr, Google+, Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn, MySpace, Pinterest, Qzone (QQ), Redit, Sina Waibo, Tencent Weibo, Tumblr, Twitter, Twoo, Vine, Vkontakte (VK), Youko, YouTube, and "none".

Hacker News is conspicuously missing.

Re: Jimmy Wales has quietly launched a Facebook rival

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Post by mirimir »

rolleiflex wrote: post #402
mirimir wrote: post #392

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It sounds like just what I want. But I use VPNs. So I'd need to get a mapped port. What port does Aether want? Edit: Also, can I just install from source?

It will get whatever it can. You also don’t need a mapped port, Aether can punch holes through firewalls via reverse-opens. (Though having a port open will significantly increase your connection speed and frequency.) You can look at the port it chooses through netstat, it does not have a fixed port. However, once it gets a working one, it won’t change it from then on so you can map that port. Edit: you can, but it ha…

Thanks. I'll use an Ubuntu VM.

Re: Jimmy Wales has quietly launched a Facebook rival

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Post by dredmorbius »

pault wrote: post #406
dredmorbius wrote: post #398

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That would be an exceedingly thin signal. Very few posts will have incoming links, so you'll get very little scoring data. The signal will be hugely susceptible to outlier bias -- The Post That Goes Viral, and generates a huge number of incoming links -- will dominate the rankings. Because the signal is so thin, distorting and manipulation (through link farming) will be cheap and difficult to detect (a small number o…

My comment was a tongue in cheek reference to early Google. I can't tell if you missed the joke or just one upped me on a heroic scale.

The possibility had occurred.

And I'll claim my prize to the second ;-)

Re: Jimmy Wales has quietly launched a Facebook rival

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Post by indigodaddy »

chipotle_coyote wrote: post #110
cryptozeus wrote: post #78

This is not for the people who are complaining about the high price. Did anyone question what price we paid for free product like fb/insta ? Clearly this product is in infancy and trying to attract early adopters. In future price may come down and ui/ux will get better but it’s clearly not for everyone looking to escape into social media as entertainment.

"If you're complaining about the price, this isn't for you" is kind of a truism, but I'm not sure it's a helpful truism in this case. At a moment where the phrase "subscription fatigue" is sweeping into popular discourse, $100 a year is a hell of a big ask for a nascent social network. App.Net couldn't convince people to pay $50 a year earlier this decade; today Micro.blog is building a cult following as a paid Twitt…

Is WP the only blog that can hook into the micro.blog platform? Any list of supported blog engines/platforms?

Re: Jimmy Wales has quietly launched a Facebook rival

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Post by aaomidi »

ratfaced-guy wrote: post #294

What I want is a decentralized Reddit not under the control of advertising needs. Reddit redesign has been bad for quality content. I actually find Reddit to be a better source of information and knowledge than Google at this point, mostly because Google has been inundated with paid blog-spam. It's a bit harder to get away with that in Reddit (for the time being, and for whatever reason).

I thought I wanted this until I ended up going to multiple of these sites that claim to do decentralized reddit. They're full of nazi bullshit.

I look at mastodon instances and any non-moderated ones is white-supremacist shit.

I'm not sure if the average consumer wants to see that.

Re: Jimmy Wales has quietly launched a Facebook rival

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Post by tuckermi »

ratfaced-guy wrote: post #294

What I want is a decentralized Reddit not under the control of advertising needs. Reddit redesign has been bad for quality content. I actually find Reddit to be a better source of information and knowledge than Google at this point, mostly because Google has been inundated with paid blog-spam. It's a bit harder to get away with that in Reddit (for the time being, and for whatever reason).

What if HackerNews instances were easily deployable? Say on par with launching a new blog through WordPress or similar. Do you think that that would by and large provide the tools and interfaces to satisfy what you are looking for?

Re: Jimmy Wales has quietly launched a Facebook rival

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Post by grzm »

indigodaddy wrote: post #414
chipotle_coyote wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"If you're complaining about the price, this isn't for you" is kind of a truism, but I'm not sure it's a helpful truism in this case. At a moment where the phrase "subscription fatigue" is sweeping into popular discourse, $100 a year is a hell of a big ask for a nascent social network. App.Net couldn't convince people to pay $50 a year earlier this decade; today Micro.blog is building a cult following as a paid Twitt…

Is WP the only blog that can hook into the micro.blog platform? Any list of supported blog engines/platforms?

https://help.micro.blog/2017/micropub-clients/

Re: Jimmy Wales has quietly launched a Facebook rival

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Post by detaro »

indigodaddy wrote: post #414
chipotle_coyote wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"If you're complaining about the price, this isn't for you" is kind of a truism, but I'm not sure it's a helpful truism in this case. At a moment where the phrase "subscription fatigue" is sweeping into popular discourse, $100 a year is a hell of a big ask for a nascent social network. App.Net couldn't convince people to pay $50 a year earlier this decade; today Micro.blog is building a cult following as a paid Twitt…

Is WP the only blog that can hook into the micro.blog platform? Any list of supported blog engines/platforms?

As far as I know, you "hook a blog into it" by telling it which RSS feed(s) to copy from your site, so pretty much any blog engine will work.

It also supports a few more advanced things like Webmentions, there support is thinner, but possibly can be added.

Re: Jimmy Wales has quietly launched a Facebook rival

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Post by retsibsi »

navigatr wrote: post #284
danielecook wrote: post #210

Previously someone mentioned the idea of a $1/mo. social network. I think if someone were to make facebook in it's first ~2 years and keep it very basic it we would be good to go. The only features you need are: a profile picture, a wall, chat, and events. In other words - a photo of yourself, a way of publicly messaging, a way of privately messaging, and a way to coordinate social events. What else do you need for a…

I would pay $1/mo for a chronological feed of my friends' updates and posts. I found Twitter and Facebook to be frustratingly unusable after they removed their chronological feeds in favor of feeds that prioritize ads and engagement.

Isn't Twitter properly chronological with 'Latest Tweets' turned on? For a while that setting would frequently reset to the non-chronological default, but at the moment it seems to be sticky. (I mostly use Twitter in a web browser, but I think the Android app is working the same way.)

Re: Jimmy Wales has quietly launched a Facebook rival

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Post by amiantos »

danielecook wrote: post #210

Previously someone mentioned the idea of a $1/mo. social network. I think if someone were to make facebook in it's first ~2 years and keep it very basic it we would be good to go. The only features you need are: a profile picture, a wall, chat, and events. In other words - a photo of yourself, a way of publicly messaging, a way of privately messaging, and a way to coordinate social events. What else do you need for a…

All the ideas regarding $1-2/mo social networks seem to forget the enormous cost of moderating content on these social networks. Let's say your social network is $3/mo and people can upload unlimited photos. How long does it take for child porn to start getting shared on your service? Probably not long. That's not even getting into users harassing other users, and stuff like that. Volunteer moderators do the work on reddit for free because they get to feel ownership of their subreddits (until they try to delete them if they're popular, then the admins step in), but on a "normal" social network no one is going to moderate the content for free, especially not the horrible stuff people will post.
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