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Amazon’s quest for more, cheaper products has resulted in a flea market of fakes

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>Hermès’s $640 Clic H Bracelet is one of those luxury baubles that’s financially out of reach for most shoppers. So how is it that Amazon shoppers could recently search for the Hermès piece by name and find a bracelet for just $24.99 on the e-commerce giant’s website? I think this is why I've never received anything fake from Amazon. I'm not stupid enough to think I can get something priced at $640 for $25. >Still, P…

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Re: Amazon’s quest for more, cheaper products has resulted in a flea market of fakes

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All the ballyhoo about Amazon Transparency and UUID per item. This is a relatively well solved issue in other areas.

Make become a seller a bit more difficult with some skin in the game ($2,500 deposit if you sell more than 15 items per year? In person identity verification?). Sellers used to meet with buyers agents (cost money and added identities).

Caught selling garbage (product marked new actually used, totaly fake junk) enough times -> gone from marketplace and hard to get back in.

The reality is Amazon doesn't care - there IS a market opportunity here for someone to take them on with trusted product catalog and quick shipping (using UPS / Fedex). I wish somebody would straight compete with them rather than all the complaining to politicians.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is one side of the equation, the other is people ordering the real thing, repackaging it with fake from aliexpress and returning for full refund. More enterprising folks sign up as Amazon supplier, register for some expensive products, ship real thing once or twice and then start throwing more and more fakes into their shipments, all nicely co-mingled by Amazon.

Was it not also a thing that if you let Amazon keep your stock as a supplier, customer might get another suppliers item as they were kept together? So if I ordered a book from Amazon from AmazingVendor, Amazon might actually send me an item from ScummyVendor's stock which sold the same book.

Yes, including if the AmazingVendor is Amazon itself.

Re: Amazon’s quest for more, cheaper products has resulted in a flea market of fakes

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All the ballyhoo about Amazon Transparency and UUID per item. This is a relatively well solved issue in other areas. Make become a seller a bit more difficult with some skin in the game ($2,500 deposit if you sell more than 15 items per year? In person identity verification?). Sellers used to meet with buyers agents (cost money and added identities). Caught selling garbage (product marked new actually used, totaly fa…

> I wish somebody would straight compete with them rather than all the complaining to politicians.

One doesn't exclude the other.

Re: Amazon’s quest for more, cheaper products has resulted in a flea market of fakes

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Amazon's fulfilment has also become shockingly bad. Most items are shipped in lightly-padded manila envelopes resulting in high percentage of damaged goods if you order books[1], CDs/DVDs/BluRays, video games, or anything else where the packaging is part of the product. eBay is a much better experience in this regard. [1] In an ironic twist, I absolutely refuse to buy books from Amazon anymore.

> eBay is a much better experience

Wouldn't this be down to the individual seller?

Re: Amazon’s quest for more, cheaper products has resulted in a flea market of fakes

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I think this article seems like a good example of editorial independence. Even though both Amazon and the Washington Post are pretty much owned by the same person, the Washington Post has published a pretty negative article about Amazon.

Seems more like a case of: "Look -- We have editorial independence. We published this negative article about Amazon with information that literally everyone who uses Amazon already knows and takes into account."

Re: Amazon’s quest for more, cheaper products has resulted in a flea market of fakes

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post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is one side of the equation, the other is people ordering the real thing, repackaging it with fake from aliexpress and returning for full refund. More enterprising folks sign up as Amazon supplier, register for some expensive products, ship real thing once or twice and then start throwing more and more fakes into their shipments, all nicely co-mingled by Amazon.

Was it not also a thing that if you let Amazon keep your stock as a supplier, customer might get another suppliers item as they were kept together? So if I ordered a book from Amazon from AmazingVendor, Amazon might actually send me an item from ScummyVendor's stock which sold the same book.

That only happens when one or more of the 3rd party sellers are part of the "Fullfillment by Amazon" program (FBA). If I was a lawmaker I would make FBA illegal, it is an open door for untraceable counterfeits. I think its the primary reason we are seeing major brands like Nike and Birkenstock walking away from Amazon.

Re: Amazon’s quest for more, cheaper products has resulted in a flea market of fakes

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All the ballyhoo about Amazon Transparency and UUID per item. This is a relatively well solved issue in other areas. Make become a seller a bit more difficult with some skin in the game ($2,500 deposit if you sell more than 15 items per year? In person identity verification?). Sellers used to meet with buyers agents (cost money and added identities). Caught selling garbage (product marked new actually used, totaly fa…

> I wish somebody would straight compete with them rather than all the complaining to politicians. One doesn't exclude the other.

The point is to generate choices / alternatives.

If you go the government involvement route you ossify industries and actually can make it harder for folks to compete.

Funeral home chains were famous for pushing for lots of crazy regs that only a system with big economies of scale could meet to push out smaller independents.

In some cities like SF zoning hoops mean that only folks with HUGE pockets / attorneys and long time horizons can get through the planning / permitting and building process - all other restaurants etc basically need to rent (which means if they make the neighborhood nice they don't benefit).

What I want to know - is there a trusted online seller available now that a reasonable amazon alternative?

Re: Amazon’s quest for more, cheaper products has resulted in a flea market of fakes

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I wish somebody would straight compete with them rather than all the complaining to politicians. One doesn't exclude the other.

The point is to generate choices / alternatives. If you go the government involvement route you ossify industries and actually can make it harder for folks to compete. Funeral home chains were famous for pushing for lots of crazy regs that only a system with big economies of scale could meet to push out smaller independents. In some cities like SF zoning hoops mean that only folks with HUGE pockets / attorneys and lo…

There are lots of alternatives for each category of products - Zappos for shoes/clothes, Mouser for electrical components, etc. though there is no one competitor to Amazon that is as comprehensive as it is.

Edit: Turns out Zappos is owned by Amazon. But my point still stands if we replace it with something else.

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