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Financial deplatforming is a monster, long-term trend to watch over the next decades. Deplatforming happens with sex workers. It also happens in the US marijuana industry. It happens with perfectly legal political content. The number of ways in which someone, somewhere will be offended by products or services for sale is growing, driven by a rapidly improving worldwide communication network and delivery system, and b…

Bitcoin isn't criticized for this being an invalid use case, because it's totally valid. It's criticized because it's useless for this use case, people involved in this scene in practice don't care about it to any serious degree beyond it being a talking point, and because anything for legally working around financial deplatforming still needs strong interfacing with the rest of the system as well as compliance with…

> It's criticized because it's useless for this use case, people involved in this scene in practice don't care about it to any serious degree beyond it being a talking point

This is demonstrably false in the amateur porn industry.

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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post #135

Financial deplatforming is a monster, long-term trend to watch over the next decades. Deplatforming happens with sex workers. It also happens in the US marijuana industry. It happens with perfectly legal political content. The number of ways in which someone, somewhere will be offended by products or services for sale is growing, driven by a rapidly improving worldwide communication network and delivery system, and b…

Marijuana is separate from the deplatforming in the traditional sense because federal banking laws and the DEA's stubborn Schedule 1 tautology when it clearly has medical uses are to blame as opposed to uncooerced choices.

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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post #109

Thank you Paypal. Porn is a disease on the society exploiting on vulnerable people. Any company concerned with mental health of the society shouldn't let these porn streaming companies use their infrastructure. Also, a private company is not compelled to let anyone use their infrastructure, if anything, it violates that company's first amendment rights.

As much a yc attracts "smart" people, they are usually plagued with a lack of wisdom.

You only need to venture to yourbrainonporn.com to meet your rationalization's end. At least if you can read english.

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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post #7

A chilling effect on free speech. Real alternatives to paypal and credit cards need to enter the market. It sadly looks like my favorite hope is still not ready, but I am hopeful that this is due to slow and careful development that will lead to a stable long term outcome. https://taler.net/en/faq.html

> A chilling effect on free speech. Real alternatives to paypal and credit cards need to enter the market. This would have been a huge problem in 2012, Now there are realistic solutions to avoid this. Just pay by cryptocurrencies on to a Coinbase Card and you can withdraw the cash and pay anonymously. Job done.

Coinbase has essentially become another bank. They go well beyond KYC requirements and have banned people for things they don't like.

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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If you run a shop, you can't decline service to democrats, even if disagree with them. You can't discriminate, that's the law. I don't see how is it radically different from running a hosting company.

In the United States I think you can actually. Nothing stops you. You can't discriminate based on a few criteria like race, age, gender (and depending on the state) sexual orientation.

Even this depends. In DC political affiliation is a protected class.

https://ohr.dc.gov/protectedtraits

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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post #92

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Drug prohibition is a thing about laws. It is legal (in the US) for people (of legal age) to purchase pornography* . The fact that there is a cultural disapproval of pornography is not that much like there being laws restricting it. Also, some things should be socially discouraged while being legal. If you mean this as purely a descriptive question, then I suppose that yes, if fewer contracts excluded pornographic co…

> I think the fact that pornography is viewed negatively, at least in public, is a good thing. I'd love to see your thoughts on this expanded. I don't have a particularly rigorously formed opinion on this, but my gut disagrees. I'd settle for some links to articles/etc. that reflect your viewpoint.

Pornography is a symptom of the commodification of sex, much like legal prostitution, sugar-daddies, and even the transactional swiping hookup apps that dominate dating among lower age groups. It is the tendency of a capital-dominated culture to turn everything into a commodity that is bought and sold; sex is merely one element that this system has consumed. After the wide acceptance of the birth control pill, the trend has been for women to take the same career and life path as men. Women no longer need long term relationships for sex or material needs; sex in the age of the birth control pill is done on women's terms and negotiated for a price they accept, as long as that relationship does not interfere with maximum capitalist production.

It's possible that if sex were not a commodity, we would be happier and more mentally healthy.

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

#189
post #63

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Stripe won't touch adult content, I've tried (chargeback ratio is very high, I don't blame them). Very hard to find processors who will work with adult content of any sort. The real problem is that person to person money transfers shouldn't be prohibited unless by law. Perhaps Pornhub, in the US at least, could use something like Zelle to mediate transfers between patrons and performers (using their bank account to m…

I think this is a US thing. I've tried to do chargebacks before in Europe because a website wouldn't stop billing me, and was told the only thing I could do is cut up the card and get issued a new one.

It's a credit card thing (which arguably are much more common in the US).

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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post #135

Financial deplatforming is a monster, long-term trend to watch over the next decades. Deplatforming happens with sex workers. It also happens in the US marijuana industry. It happens with perfectly legal political content. The number of ways in which someone, somewhere will be offended by products or services for sale is growing, driven by a rapidly improving worldwide communication network and delivery system, and b…

IRS treats Bitcoin as property. Accordingly, the recipients need to report every bitcoin transaction on Schedule D and calculate its cost basis ( appreciation or depreciation of Bitcoin). I am not talking about the reporting of the cumulative income, but the additional requirement of reporting of each Bitcoin payment or disposal. Say you received 0.0001 BTC held it for 5 days and then converted to USD. These are two taxable events, not one, with the requirement of calculating BTC appreciation between these two events. Now multiply this burden by every transaction.

In my opinion, IRS successfully killed BTC use in the US by treating it as property rather than currency (for currency FX, transactions under $200 are exempt from cost basis reporting on schedule D)

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