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Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by dpifke »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #86
spookthesunset wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are plenty of porn friendly payment providers. They just cost a lot of money relative to "normal" merchants because of a few simple reasons: 1) Chargebacks -- people chargeback the shit out of these kinds of transactions. Significant other sees the bill, gets pissed / confused about the charge / whatever and gets it charged back. 2) Fraud -- people use stolen CC's to pay for this kind of thing. 3) Porn operator…

> Porn operators are, as a whole, rather shady themselves and present their own set of risks to a payment provider. A lot of those chargebacks in #1 are actually valid chargebacks. ...is there a logical reason for this?

I knew someone who was involved in the 1-900 business in the 90's. Apparently back then it was relatively common to DoS your competition by running up a lot of fraudulent calls to their numbers. The hope being that the telco would cut them off, and you'd have one less competitor.

For my friend who was hit by this, it really sucked, because telco billing chargebacks in those days took 3 months or more, so it looked like he had hockey-stick month-over-month growth... until suddenly he didn't, because most of the "growth" was fraudulent charges intended to get him shut down.

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

#102

Post by Qwertystop »

a13n wrote: post #85
EpicEng wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not until it's near as stable as the dollar it won't.

Tether follows the dollar (1 Tether === $1.00 USD).

Not anymore, is it? Last I heard they were in pretty significant legal trouble due to not actually having the 1:1 real-doller backing they claimed to, or other assets of equivalent value, among other issues.

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by zzzcpan »

1000units wrote: post #80
errantspark wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the percentage of porn-related shadiness is because our society and business culture forces that? It seems similar to drug prohibitions etc. I haven't had to deal with a shady drug dealer in years now that weed is legal. Maybe if vice-clauses and the like weren't so ubiquitous we'd see more upright actors in the field.

Almost none of it. Mentally stable people do not want strangers to ejaculate into their mouth on camera for money. Those willing are easily taken advantage of. edit: Many downvotes! Let's hear the dissent. I'll faithfully engage. edit: 'dang, can we please remove flagging privileges from whoever targeted this comment? Thanks.

You are making a moral judgement, it has nothing to do with mental stability.

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

#105

Post by throwaway_tech »

yardie wrote: post #67
throwaway_tech wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I had a buddy who nearly did a chargeback against a club that put "E 11 EVN" on his bill... name is Eleven Club. Are you sure the name isn't "Club E11Even"? Because there is a rather famous strip club in Miami named E11Even (pronounced Eleven).

I'd just like to add E11EVEN is not a strip club. It is in fact a burlesque club. There is some nudity but not in the same way as a strip club. For any Miami-based HNers, you can find me at the nearby bar, you'll know the one.

Guessing "the corner" bar (probably eating the peppers)...I won't nitpick in typical HN fashion of strip club or not, either way I call it the ballet.

But now I'm going to have to go just to take a survey on the issue.

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by Mirioron »

rvz wrote: post #30
mjevans wrote: post #7

A chilling effect on free speech. Real alternatives to paypal and credit cards need to enter the market. It sadly looks like my favorite hope is still not ready, but I am hopeful that this is due to slow and careful development that will lead to a stable long term outcome. https://taler.net/en/faq.html

> A chilling effect on free speech. Real alternatives to paypal and credit cards need to enter the market. This would have been a huge problem in 2012, Now there are realistic solutions to avoid this. Just pay by cryptocurrencies on to a Coinbase Card and you can withdraw the cash and pay anonymously. Job done.

Which is a huge hassle in a lot of places in the world, especially due to how cryptocurrencies are treated.

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

#107

Post by jandrese »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #86
spookthesunset wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are plenty of porn friendly payment providers. They just cost a lot of money relative to "normal" merchants because of a few simple reasons: 1) Chargebacks -- people chargeback the shit out of these kinds of transactions. Significant other sees the bill, gets pissed / confused about the charge / whatever and gets it charged back. 2) Fraud -- people use stolen CC's to pay for this kind of thing. 3) Porn operator…

> Porn operators are, as a whole, rather shady themselves and present their own set of risks to a payment provider. A lot of those chargebacks in #1 are actually valid chargebacks. ...is there a logical reason for this?

Society holds such jobs in low esteem, so the kind of people who take them are the ones that are not worried about their reputation. There are a few who buck the trend and keep it classy, but most are just the kind of people who will do anything for a quick buck, including double-charging paying customers.

It's a viscous cycle, really. We treat porn producers like dirt only only dirty people want to take the job which further reinforces our stereotypes about said people. Plus the barrier to entry is real low and brand loyalty is almost nonexistent so it's a prime industry for fly-by-night operators.

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by 1000units »

zzzcpan wrote: post #104
1000units wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Almost none of it. Mentally stable people do not want strangers to ejaculate into their mouth on camera for money. Those willing are easily taken advantage of. edit: Many downvotes! Let's hear the dissent. I'll faithfully engage. edit: 'dang, can we please remove flagging privileges from whoever targeted this comment? Thanks.

You are making a moral judgement, it has nothing to do with mental stability.

I'm making an objective statement about reality backed by basic, well-understood features of human psychology and personal experience with porn actresses.

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by nafizh »

Thank you Paypal. Porn is a disease on the society exploiting on vulnerable people. Any company concerned with mental health of the society shouldn't let these porn streaming companies use their infrastructure. Also, a private company is not compelled to let anyone use their infrastructure, if anything, it violates that company's first amendment rights.

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by jandrese »

throwaway_tech wrote: post #27
WrtCdEvrydy wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The issue here is that it needs to be easy for a person viewing their credit card bill to know that they paid for something... and not be super weird. I had a buddy who nearly did a chargeback against a club that put "E 11 EVN" on his bill... name is Eleven Club.

>I had a buddy who nearly did a chargeback against a club that put "E 11 EVN" on his bill... name is Eleven Club. Are you sure the name isn't "Club E11Even"? Because there is a rather famous strip club in Miami named E11Even (pronounced Eleven).

I would totally call that Club Eel-even.
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