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Re: Court: Suspicionless Searches of Travelers’ Phones and Laptops Unconstitutional

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Post by aledalgrande »

mlang23 wrote: post #399

Best thing is to just not have anything to do with the US of A. Death penalty, loaded guns everywhere, a general attitude of being the masters of the world which leads to things like suspicionless searches. No, thanks. I think the best would be if more people would actually stop dealing with the USA. Its becoming a trend. I once turned down an invitation to a conference in Hawai, and guess what, I was not alone.

What surprises me the most is the huge divide between these horrific things that happen at government level and the fact that 99% of Americans I met were instead very lovely people.

Re: Court: Suspicionless Searches of Travelers’ Phones and Laptops Unconstitutional

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Post by aledalgrande »

bluGill wrote: post #462
wonderwonder wrote: post #461

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of the points in this post are not accurate. There are more guns in civilian hands here than there are people. "The Small Arms Survey stated that U.S. civilians alone account for 393 million (about 46 percent) of the worldwide total of civilian held firearms" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_ownership "Most of them are in the hands of well trained people who are harmless" I am not sure what you base this on,…

You can buy a gun easily enough. However the people who actually do that tend to be enthusiasts who are well trained. To have a loaded gun on your person you need to be well trained in most states.

The problem is not guns I think, it's the culture of violence, and fear. Don't Swiss families all have shotguns from the military in their homes?

Re: Court: Suspicionless Searches of Travelers’ Phones and Laptops Unconstitutional

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Post by umvi »

Thrymr wrote: post #509
umvi wrote: post #480

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> At no time did I have to demonstrate that I could safely bring my weapon from concealment to ready without shooting myself in the leg or a bystander. It's not hard. If you pull the trigger, a bullet comes out (if the safety is off and if there is one in the chamber). So, simply don't pull the trigger until you are ready to fire a bullet. Most (if not all) people that buy guns, you included, understand this basic co…

How do you store and carry your weapon safely? How do you transport it? Who has access to it and the ammunition? It is a simple tool that kills tens of thousands of people a year, the least we can do is treat it with at least the level of respect we give other potentially deadly tools (hardly a piano).

> How do you store and carry your weapon safely? How do you transport it? Who has access to it and the ammunition? It is a simple tool that kills tens of thousands of people a year

Unintentionally? I highly doubt that. I would guess the majority of the tens of thousands of deaths were the result of the gun owner intentionally pulling the trigger, not because they were bumbling around transporting it incorrectly, storing ammo incorrectly, etc.

According to this[1], only 500 people died in 2016 due to gun accidents. The rest were intentional.

[1] https://www.aftermath.com/content/accidental-shooting-deaths...

Re: Court: Suspicionless Searches of Travelers’ Phones and Laptops Unconstitutional

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Post by drop_the_mike »

Karunamon wrote: post #519
wonderwonder wrote: post #504

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"There’s no meaningful risk of getting shot and the US is one of the safest places in the world" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intention... The United States is Ranked 94th in the world by intentional homicide rate. "The odds of dying in a car vs getting shot are relevant." Why? I did not mention cars at all in my post so not sure how you bringing up cars renders my response illogical. Is your ar…

Given the amount of ammunition fired into targets and other inanimate objects for fun, I take issue with that "purpose" argument.

Given that I once threw a bean burrito at a road sign for fun as a teenager I take issue with its supposed purpose of being eaten \s

Your argument is invalid.

Re: Court: Suspicionless Searches of Travelers’ Phones and Laptops Unconstitutional

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

throwaway6734 wrote: post #435
sbarre wrote: post #413

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This is not about the US citizenry but about the state. If you can't actually see how the American state (not population or country) has devolved into something to be concerned about over the last 20 years, perhaps you're not looking hard enough. Domestic politics and policies are cruel and divisive, international policies have regressed dramatically (i.e. they've pulled out of major international treaties around arm…

> If you can't actually see how the American state (not population or country) has devolved into something to be concerned about over the last 20 years I find this timeframe strange. Although the US has had major policy mishaps in the last 20 years (Iraq war, NSA surveillance, etc), imo policy is still better than at any other time in America's history. What timeframe do you think had "better" policy?

Q1 & Q2 2001.

After that began US's relentless creation of the modern, comprehensive surveillance state. It is the largest possible government and will effectively repress our great-grandchildren and theirs.

As an American, I advocate some isolationism to protect other countries. The reason is that other nations are proving grounds for the future mistreatment of US citizens. Protecting other countries now protects future Americans.

Re: Court: Suspicionless Searches of Travelers’ Phones and Laptops Unconstitutional

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Post by plankers »

Confusion wrote: post #405
throaway4644998 wrote: post #402

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He is far from being the only one to have this feeling. I once intended to even base my business there, but at this point I do not want to have anything to do with this country. This is not lazy thinking, this is exactly the opposite. This is finally catching up with reality and moving beyond hollywood movies and the American dream propaganda.

Your comment is devoid of argument.

So is yours.

Re: Court: Suspicionless Searches of Travelers’ Phones and Laptops Unconstitutional

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

aledalgrande wrote: post #541
mlang23 wrote: post #399

Best thing is to just not have anything to do with the US of A. Death penalty, loaded guns everywhere, a general attitude of being the masters of the world which leads to things like suspicionless searches. No, thanks. I think the best would be if more people would actually stop dealing with the USA. Its becoming a trend. I once turned down an invitation to a conference in Hawai, and guess what, I was not alone.

What surprises me the most is the huge divide between these horrific things that happen at government level and the fact that 99% of Americans I met were instead very lovely people.

To meet lovely people doing horrific things, live in one of the (not poor) DC Metro Area neighborhoods.

Re: Court: Suspicionless Searches of Travelers’ Phones and Laptops Unconstitutional

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Post by Karunamon »

drop_the_mike wrote: post #544
Karunamon wrote: post #519

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given the amount of ammunition fired into targets and other inanimate objects for fun, I take issue with that "purpose" argument.

Given that I once threw a bean burrito at a road sign for fun as a teenager I take issue with its supposed purpose of being eaten \s Your argument is invalid.

Now, let's compare the final destination of the average bean burrito vs the final destination of the average bullet.

Most bullets are destined to be fired directly into objects, most guns fired will never be used to take or defend a life.

Re: Court: Suspicionless Searches of Travelers’ Phones and Laptops Unconstitutional

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Post by neonIcon »

tenebrisalietum wrote: post #540
abstractbarista wrote: post #478

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As an American, I'm lovin' it! Guns are everywhere, yet shootings are very rare. I feel very safe knowing I and others around me all want and enjoy safety, and we have strong law enforcement to keep it that way. (Although I agree that our 4th amendment has been horrifically raped in modern times.) The vast majority of gun deaths are consentual (suicide), and of the homicidal remainder, the vast majority are within or…

If the guns were removed, you'd be more safe, as if there are no guns your chance of shooting goes down from "very rare" to 0.

That is patently false.. By definition criminals do not follow the letter of the law, a good example being that murder is already illegal. Strangely enough though, it still happens. Weird right? So would it also make sense that even if guns are illegal that maybe some bad actors would still have and use them in an illegal manner? Disarming law abiding citizens is all you're doing. Full stop.

Re: Court: Suspicionless Searches of Travelers’ Phones and Laptops Unconstitutional

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Post by umvi »

kiba wrote: post #500
umvi wrote: post #480

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> At no time did I have to demonstrate that I could safely bring my weapon from concealment to ready without shooting myself in the leg or a bystander. It's not hard. If you pull the trigger, a bullet comes out (if the safety is off and if there is one in the chamber). So, simply don't pull the trigger until you are ready to fire a bullet. Most (if not all) people that buy guns, you included, understand this basic co…

Pulling the trigger when you need to sounds like a simple problem in theory, but much more complicated in practice.

My uncle told me a story about when he was deployed to Afghanistan there was a designated area by the mess hall you were supposed to use to ensure your sidearm chamber was clear. Every once in a while, there was an accidental discharge and an officer would be seen over there sheepishly holstering their sidearm. My uncle pointed out that it wasn't required that you had to pull the trigger, just that you had to ensure the chamber was empty. My uncle said he never had a single accidental discharge in the 2 years he was there because he simply never pulled the trigger. If you don't pull the trigger, no bullets come out.
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