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Re: World Ice Theory and the Supernatural Imaginary of the Third Reich (2017)

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Post by flukus » Thu, Nov 07, 2019, 9:20 AM UTC

gattilorenz wrote: post #20

flukus wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It’s mostly a thing in certain Protestant sects Catholics have a lot of grey area too ( https://www.catholic.com/tract/adam-eve-and-evolution ), they struggle with the random mutation and natural selection aspects that form the basis of evolutionary theory: > However, it says that, if they did develop, then they did so under the impetus and guidance of God There is also the literal adam and eve: > In this regard, P…

> the literal adam and eve You're quoting Pius XII, which died in the 50s. Since at least the 80s the Church[1] accepted that evolution is a thing, and I don't think anybody claimed Adam and Eve really existed. There was a symposium in '86, writings by Joannes Paulus II in the 90s, and more. [1] yes, it is not a homogeneous group, I personally know people that believe I A&E and that evolution is "just a theory, not a…

Apparently expecting God and his earthly messengers to keep their story straight for a human lifetime is too much.

Re: World Ice Theory and the Supernatural Imaginary of the Third Reich (2017)

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Post by avgeek23 » Thu, Nov 07, 2019, 12:48 PM UTC

I remember reading about how hitler supported missions to Tibet in search of a superweapon/power that will take the riech further

Re: World Ice Theory and the Supernatural Imaginary of the Third Reich (2017)

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Post by gattilorenz » Thu, Nov 07, 2019, 1:27 PM UTC

flukus wrote: post #21

gattilorenz wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the literal adam and eve You're quoting Pius XII, which died in the 50s. Since at least the 80s the Church[1] accepted that evolution is a thing, and I don't think anybody claimed Adam and Eve really existed. There was a symposium in '86, writings by Joannes Paulus II in the 90s, and more. [1] yes, it is not a homogeneous group, I personally know people that believe I A&E and that evolution is "just a theory, not a…

Apparently expecting God and his earthly messengers to keep their story straight for a human lifetime is too much.

Literally the first point of the guideline:

> Be kind. Don't be snarky. Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive.

Re: World Ice Theory and the Supernatural Imaginary of the Third Reich (2017)

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Post by thepaperone » Thu, Nov 07, 2019, 4:38 PM UTC

avgeek23 wrote: post #22

I remember reading about how hitler supported missions to Tibet in search of a superweapon/power that will take the riech further

Then you'd believe anything.

They were studying genealogy as the Aryans that they claimed descent also conquered that region in prehistory.

Re: World Ice Theory and the Supernatural Imaginary of the Third Reich (2017)

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Post by aksss » Thu, Nov 07, 2019, 8:16 PM UTC

galaxyLogic wrote: post #9

naringas wrote: post #8

there is a group of conspiracy theories around the idea the all those "scientific occultism" and "psychological warfare" ventures continued in the USA among programs such as MKULTRA and others (say the theories) not yet declassified because they were more successful. I suppose you could categorize these close to "Hitler retired in Argentina" and similar "Nazism went on" conspiracies.

To quote a famous movie: The biggest stunt Devil ever played on us was he made us believe he doesn't exist. "Nazism" is still going on. Nazism is basically the same thing as totalitarianism in general. It never went away in many parts of the world. There are even Neo-Nazis in the USA.

The Nazi party implemented a totalitarian form of government. Totalitarianism predated Nazis and is still a common form of government around the world. Classic case of "A is an example of B, but not all B are A". E.g. calling Stalin a Nazi would be inaccurate. He fought Nazis, but was still a totalitarian of the highest order, arguably with a more heinous legacy (if measured in body count, geographic impact, duration of influence). Assad is a current totalitarian, along with many regimes in Africa. Describing these as regimes as Nazis would be a very inarticulate description, even though I'd get your point ("he bad").

Re: World Ice Theory and the Supernatural Imaginary of the Third Reich (2017)

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Post by cbnotfromthere » Thu, Nov 07, 2019, 11:37 PM UTC

galaxyLogic wrote: post #9

naringas wrote: post #8

there is a group of conspiracy theories around the idea the all those "scientific occultism" and "psychological warfare" ventures continued in the USA among programs such as MKULTRA and others (say the theories) not yet declassified because they were more successful. I suppose you could categorize these close to "Hitler retired in Argentina" and similar "Nazism went on" conspiracies.

To quote a famous movie: The biggest stunt Devil ever played on us was he made us believe he doesn't exist. "Nazism" is still going on. Nazism is basically the same thing as totalitarianism in general. It never went away in many parts of the world. There are even Neo-Nazis in the USA.

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Re: World Ice Theory and the Supernatural Imaginary of the Third Reich (2017)

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Post by nealeratzlaff » Fri, Nov 08, 2019, 12:26 AM UTC

galaxyLogic wrote: post #10

rsynnott wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m fairly sure the majority of people don’t believe in literalist young earth creationism. It’s mostly a thing in certain Protestant sects, and regionally (especially in Turkey) in Islam. If you’re talking about the vaguer “evolution happens, but, er, maybe a deity did something non-specific about it”, then that’s more common, granted.

I never quite understood why many religious people have a problem with Evolution. If God created everything, surely he could create Evolution as well.

From a lot of otherwise science-accepting people I grew up with, the issue isn't that penguins or insects adapted to their environment in unique ways. The issue lies in humans coming from monkeys. People I've known have a hard time with us not being created as special companions for the creator.

Re: World Ice Theory and the Supernatural Imaginary of the Third Reich (2017)

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Post by riversflow » Sun, Nov 10, 2019, 4:58 PM UTC

CDSlice wrote: post #14

riversflow wrote: post #12

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I hate to say it, but I’ve been recently re-convinced that people like you and I live in a bubble. Most people are adamantly religious in the US if you start to dig down. I knew this when I was a reckless atheist teenager adamant about the beauty of evolution, but after surrounding myself with like-minded people for a decade, my natural tendency to give people the benefit of the doubt relapsed over that bit of my est…

Which part of the US were you in?

California

Re: World Ice Theory and the Supernatural Imaginary of the Third Reich (2017)

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Post by galaxyLogic » Tue, Nov 12, 2019, 1:58 AM UTC

aksss wrote: post #25

galaxyLogic wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To quote a famous movie: The biggest stunt Devil ever played on us was he made us believe he doesn't exist. "Nazism" is still going on. Nazism is basically the same thing as totalitarianism in general. It never went away in many parts of the world. There are even Neo-Nazis in the USA.

The Nazi party implemented a totalitarian form of government. Totalitarianism predated Nazis and is still a common form of government around the world. Classic case of "A is an example of B, but not all B are A". E.g. calling Stalin a Nazi would be inaccurate. He fought Nazis, but was still a totalitarian of the highest order, arguably with a more heinous legacy (if measured in body count, geographic impact, duration…

I think the differences between different totalitarian governments is of little significance.

What is important is that they all want to eradicate democratic processes as much as possible. So whether you call them "Fascists" (in Italy) or "Nazis" in Germany or "Stalinist" (in Soviet Union) is fine, but really they all are more or less the same, authoritarian, totalitarian, anti-democratic.

That is why Neo-Nazis call themselves Neo-Nazis. They want to be LIKE NAZIS.

Re: World Ice Theory and the Supernatural Imaginary of the Third Reich (2017)

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Post by galaxyLogic » Tue, Nov 12, 2019, 2:02 AM UTC

nealeratzlaff wrote: post #27

galaxyLogic wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never quite understood why many religious people have a problem with Evolution. If God created everything, surely he could create Evolution as well.

From a lot of otherwise science-accepting people I grew up with, the issue isn't that penguins or insects adapted to their environment in unique ways. The issue lies in humans coming from monkeys. People I've known have a hard time with us not being created as special companions for the creator.

I think this ideology is partly because being a God's special companion means you can rule over others. So it's a convenient patriarchal fiction for many who want to rule over others, with God on Their Side.