Every American Car Brand Is on the Bottom Half of CR's Reliability Rankings

Post by linksnapzz » Mon, Nov 11, 2019, 7:54 PM UTC

smnrchrds wrote: post #243

linksnapzz wrote: post #236

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The difference is, the other automakers have decades of experience tailoring public pronouncements so as not to provide fodder for trial lawyers. Hence the vaporous noncommunication. Tesla hasn't been sued as much yet, but they'll get there eventually.

Unless their PR and legal department are exclusively staffed by recent graduates with zero work or real-world experience, it shouldn't matter whether or not they have been sued. It's not like every corporation starts figuring everything out by trial and error, never referring to literature or hiring experienced professionals.

Post by _s » Mon, Nov 11, 2019, 7:55 PM UTC

basch wrote: post #213

xchaotic wrote: post #203

Looks like a lot of discussion here is about housing, but the CR report suggests that most of the issues are with the infotainment systems in cars. And that includes Tesla. I assume that the ecosystem is big enough to create a 3rd player that’s better than android auto or iOS and better suited for cars specifically.

Ive increasingly been disappointed that there arent better infotainment roundups, or some kind of constantly updating dashboard of comparison. To your point though, FCA might have something pretty similar to that 3rd party player. Their Uconnect 4 drops into a pretty wide variety of brands they own, I dont know if any car company still makes as many skus and variants as FCA does. Abarth, Alfa Romeo, Chrysler, Dodge,…

Post by rpmisms » Mon, Nov 11, 2019, 7:57 PM UTC

rtpg wrote: post #5

This is a bit flame bait-y but I really feel like America is getting a super Galapagos effect compared to the rest of the world. Everything is super different and weird and kinda bad, and nobody seems to notice. I go to peoples houses in the US sometimes. Some of these houses are multimillion dollar homes. The doors are all terrible. The plumbing is crap. The furniture just feels bad. The cheapest studio apartment in…

Post by ip26 » Mon, Nov 11, 2019, 8:00 PM UTC

toomuchtodo wrote: post #260

justapassenger wrote: post #36

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Words are cheap. They’re under investigation for possibly hiding recall and issuing OTA instead that surprised people with sudden range loss ( https://www.businessinsider.com/nhtsa-investigating-tesla-up... ) They force customers to go over arbitration to fix yellowing entertainment screen on cars as young as few months. They tell people it’s normal wear and tear due to using cat in the sun ( https://teslamotorsclub.…

GM knew of an issue with ignition key switches that killed 124 people and required a recall of over 30 million vehicles. Tesla definitely has fault, but legacy automakers have faired far worse in safety standards. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_ignition_switch... Ford has had to recall over a million trucks due to engine block heaters that would cause your engine block to catch fire. https://www.google.…

Post by _s » Mon, Nov 11, 2019, 8:01 PM UTC

majormajor wrote: post #262

AcerbicZero wrote: post #251

Its not a direct comparison, but having owned cars from Japan, the US, and Germany, watching the videos of cars being made by the major manufacturers makes the difference somewhat obvious. I've linked them below, but just looking at the factory processes, the workers, and the methods used it seems the German process is just designed to build cars with tighter tolerances. The cars don't move down assembly lines with h…

German cars tend to be less reliable than Japanese ones, as in this survey, possibly due to those tolerance. My 2018 German car feels a lot nicer than a 2018 Toyota, but has already had more problems, too. :| Sometimes I wonder if the US auto industry suffers a bit competitively vs Germany and Japan due to a higher amount of "brain drain" to other higher-paying forms of STEM jobs in tech.