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Google Begins Testing Extension Manifest V3 in Chrome Canary

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Re: Google Begins Testing Extension Manifest V3 in Chrome Canary

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Post by tasogare »

AsusFan wrote: post #100
me_me_me wrote: post #34

Meanwhile me laughing in Firefox. I hope no one here is surprised by this G was more and more anti ad-blocking for years now. This is only natural conclusion after u are a de-facto browser monopoly.

You won't be laughing for long, I believe. See this FAQ: https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2019/09/03/mozillas-manifest... Note how they say: "We have no immediate plans to remove blocking webRequest and are working with add-on developers to gain a better understanding of how they use the APIs in question to help determine how to best support them." "No immediate plans" is weasel-speak, as is "[we] are working with add…

I don’t understand why you are downvoted because Firefox is a Google funded browser. One day they’ll have to compromise or find a real business model.

Re: Google Begins Testing Extension Manifest V3 in Chrome Canary

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Post by ifdefdebug »

frabert wrote: post #167
ifdefdebug wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And ofc do not forget to say that is new IE version That's just plain dumb. Explain to your users what you are doing. You seem to think they are stupid, well they are not.

Oh no, he doesn't think they are stupid, just that they don't know the difference between browsers. If my mechanic mounted a new transmission or something that wasn't the same brand as the one mounted before, and told me "it's the new version", I couldn't care less as long as it worked as intended. I don't know anything about transmissions, so from my point of view I have no way of knowing if what he's telling me is…

If my mechanic mounted a new transmission from another brand without telling me beforehand that he intended to do so, and I found out later, then I would immediately lose all trust in such a mechanic.

Re: Google Begins Testing Extension Manifest V3 in Chrome Canary

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Post by pteraspidomorph »

rusk wrote: post #143
moomin wrote: post #15

This is the point in the dominance cycle where the dominant player decides they no longer need to be the fastest or the most secure and that their dominance will allow them to coast along doing their thing. There’s nothing particularly inevitable about what happens next, but let’s hope they get an IE6-sized kick in the teeth.

has anyone else noticed a marked decline in the quality of Google search results over the last 12 months? I swear, around about 2011 I thought Google was going to become self aware but it's declined from that high-point to a point where duckduckgo has become a viable alternative for more than just reasons of privacy. Which is a great thing! Turns out "Don't be Evil" was more than just a feel-good marketing slogan. It…

I think this is a combination of SEO exploiting the methods Google used to use to provide good results and personal data based result optimization only being good at certain types of queries...

Re: Google Begins Testing Extension Manifest V3 in Chrome Canary

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Post by TeMPOraL »

treden wrote: post #166
BurnGpuBurn wrote: post #112

The biggest advertising company in history tries to kill blocking advertisements in their browser? How am I not surprised. I bet this move is also to kill the workings of extensions like DecentralEyes and others that try to protect users from being tracked. The whole changing of the API into a "sure we'll block that URL for ya, sometimes maybe" model reeks of increasing user tracking. They'll work out the kinks to le…

This of course. Why is anyone in the least surprised that Google doesn't want the ads that fund Chrome (and everything else they do) to be blocked by the users of Chrome. Shall Google fund our nice things (like Firefox, Chrome, gmail, google maps, etc etc) with hopes and dreams in place of cold hard cash? The audacity. Clearly an unpopular opinion here, but anyway: I'm happy to let a few ads slip through (which I wil…

It's not either/or, just like you can have a factory making cheap widgets without letting that factory pollute the local river with industrial waste.

Ads are funding the Internet only because it's the easiest legal business model to pull off, so everyone gravitated to it. But it's not like there wouldn't be money for self-driving cars without adtech, and in reality, them being tied with advertising companies only ensures that the future will be shitty.

Re: Google Begins Testing Extension Manifest V3 in Chrome Canary

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Post by kibwen »

big_chungus wrote: post #168
claudeganon wrote: post #72

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Really? That's funny, I always thought businesses hated the idea of communism.

Not sure if this is tongue-in-cheek, but the key consideration here is that of authoritarianism (which is capable of being used in conjunction with plenty of other -isms, including socialism and capitalism). Corporations tend to be largely authoritarian as well (i.e., you are expected to respect your boss because they are your boss (and if they deign to respect you, this is regarded as magnanimity); possession of authority in authoritarian contexts is circularly self-justfiying).

Re: Google Begins Testing Extension Manifest V3 in Chrome Canary

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Post by vbezhenar »

BurnGpuBurn wrote: post #112

The biggest advertising company in history tries to kill blocking advertisements in their browser? How am I not surprised. I bet this move is also to kill the workings of extensions like DecentralEyes and others that try to protect users from being tracked. The whole changing of the API into a "sure we'll block that URL for ya, sometimes maybe" model reeks of increasing user tracking. They'll work out the kinks to le…

They are not trying to kill advertisements. They want to replace API to provide better performance. That's about it. ad blocking extensions won't disappear. May be some will, and new extensions emerge.

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Post by ffritz »

mcv wrote: post #170

I'm in the process of switching as much as possible to Firefox. I now use Firefox Mobile on my smartphone, and my new laptop doesn't even get Chrome. And in many ways, it's been a breath of fresh air. Firefox gives my much more control over my privacy, and even recommends some extensions to improve it further. A couple of websites are sadly broken on my Firefox setup, but I can live without them. I want to get back t…

> I want to read what people want to share, not what people think will get them ad clicks.

Interesting thought.

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Post by blep-arsh »

big_chungus wrote: post #160
otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ...advertising is necessary for funding the open Web and keep it open for people who either can't afford tons of subscriptions or hate them for privacy reasons That's a minor issue. The bigger issue is the fact that, if adblockers become truly popular, websites will go back to serving opaque binary blobs instead of HTML+CSS+JS. Remember Flash and 'Flash pages' back in the day? That, except worse.

I don't think sites will bake ads into the blob. It's too much server-side hassle. The equivalent today is just serving the ads from your own domain, and precious few people do that. The other option is a binary blob making a network request to an ad server, which can be blocked.

I know people who are building this as a service. It renders this new adblocking API completely helpless. Since it's just a proxy with relatively low CPU load, it's feasible e.g. Cloudflare could also build something like this.

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Post by TeMPOraL »

NieDzejkob wrote: post #135
JulianMorrison wrote: post #83

They are being very stupid. Switching primary browser isn't trivial, but it's easier than wading through an ad-laden web. Goodbye Chrome, hello Firefox.

You're not their target. It's the less technical people they have in mind here.

Fortunately, a lot of less technical people have technical people in their immediate families and circles of friends.
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