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The FCC Has Fined Robocallers $208M, Collected $6,790

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Re: The FCC Has Fined Robocallers $208M, Collected $6,790

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Lots of these robocalls are fraudulent. They say nonsense like they're the FBI acting on behalf of the IRS, with a warrant for my arrest. If somebody ran a scam like that through the USPS, they'd become a guest of the US Bureau of Prisons for a few years. Internet DoSers get prison time too. But not these parasites. If the scammers are offshore, an arrest or two in the customs hall at an airport will get peoples' att…

The problem is also that a lot of them are not in the US. We can’t touch them usually.

>We can’t touch them usually.

Sure we can... with drone strikes! I'm sure dead phone spammers would have 90% support from the public. The other 10% can cry their salty tears and pretend they're getting spammed to feel better!

Re: The FCC Has Fined Robocallers $208M, Collected $6,790

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Yup. It’s amusing to see people think there is some hard technical problem here. Tie the problem of robocalls to the telcos losing money, and this problem will solve itself in months.

I got two unwanted robocalls in the last twenty years (central europe). This seems like a profoundly american issue.

I'm in the UK. I get about 2-3 a week on the landline, 1-2 a week on the mobile. 30% "This is Microsoft/your ISP, your computer is hacked", 30% "You were involved in an accident that wasn't your fault", 10% oven cleaning services. I suspect that English speaking scammer call centres are a reason for this.

Re: The FCC Has Fined Robocallers $208M, Collected $6,790

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A lot of people point out that telecom companies should do something but aren't because it's lucrative for them or too expensive to fix. Are telecom companies not realizing how much they are hurting themselves with this in the long term? People will stop using phone numbers altogether. Using the phone has become such a pain, at least in the US, that whenever I can, I used different ways of communicating. WhatsApp, iM…

Many services and businesses will not do business with you if you do not have a phone number. The most common example would be delivery services, but there are many others.

Have people been able to get around these limitations? and how is it done? I hate having a phone as much as anyone else.

Re: The FCC Has Fined Robocallers $208M, Collected $6,790

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The souce may very well be outdide the US, with no sure way to spot spam. I'm all against imperial hegemony and all, but i doubt the UN eould care if they sent some stealth bombers after the spamers.

International carriers still interconnect with a us carrier to deliver the calls. Spam is really easy to detect. Short call durations and lots of different call to numbers.

Even just giving origin information would help, if the local end of the interconnect ensured calls show the international dial-code as a minimum then that would help; instead we get (in UK) international calls (India, primarily) with caller ID showing a local number (sometimes your own number, I think) ... the interconnect certainly shouldn't be facilitating that.

Re: The FCC Has Fined Robocallers $208M, Collected $6,790

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I got two unwanted robocalls in the last twenty years (central europe). This seems like a profoundly american issue.

Lucky you. Approximately no one in the countries that these calls originate from speaks any central European language, so they don't call.

AFAIK they're not a problem here in Australia either, and the language here could (charitably) be called English. I've never received one of these calls.

Re: The FCC Has Fined Robocallers $208M, Collected $6,790

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I got two unwanted robocalls in the last twenty years (central europe). This seems like a profoundly american issue.

Americans are not uniformly harassed, and I am sure people in your country aren't either, so your sneering conclusion is baseless.

#robocall complaints (USA, 2018): 3.8 million

#robocall complaints (Germany, 2018): 13375

https://www.ftc.gov/policy/reports/policy-reports/commission...

https://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/All...

Re: The FCC Has Fined Robocallers $208M, Collected $6,790

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"Are telecom companies not realizing how much they are hurting themselves" After seeing cable companies fail to get into the internet, I'm convinced companies try to stop progress instead of embracing it. They don't see progress as an opportunity, but rather as a threat. They don't realize how much they are hurting themselves. I read an interesting article on here about the rise of the cell phone camera, the amount o…

The go to example of this will always be Kodak. Steven Sasson invented the first digital camera (and a device to display it on) in 1975 while working at R&D at Kodak. He had a fully functional DSLR by 1989, complete with memory cards. Kodak never released his work, never manufactured that camera. They kept the patent of the work and sat on it, and when others tried to innovate and create a digital camera, Kodak sued…

A "use it or lose it" clause would be great for patent law.

While I appreciate how hard it would be to implement properly, I don't think that should be an impediment to getting the process started.

Re: The FCC Has Fined Robocallers $208M, Collected $6,790

#358

A lot of people point out that telecom companies should do something but aren't because it's lucrative for them or too expensive to fix. Are telecom companies not realizing how much they are hurting themselves with this in the long term? People will stop using phone numbers altogether. Using the phone has become such a pain, at least in the US, that whenever I can, I used different ways of communicating. WhatsApp, iM…

That is exactley why centralized solutions are winning the market over decentralized ones. No one wants to deal with evil actors within decentralized system.

Users are even ready to give up open protocol for proprietary one (imessage, etc).

Re: The FCC Has Fined Robocallers $208M, Collected $6,790

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A lot of people point out that telecom companies should do something but aren't because it's lucrative for them or too expensive to fix. Are telecom companies not realizing how much they are hurting themselves with this in the long term? People will stop using phone numbers altogether. Using the phone has become such a pain, at least in the US, that whenever I can, I used different ways of communicating. WhatsApp, iM…

Many services and businesses will not do business with you if you do not have a phone number. The most common example would be delivery services, but there are many others. Have people been able to get around these limitations? and how is it done? I hate having a phone as much as anyone else.

> Have people been able to get around these limitations? and how is it done?

Just put in random crap. 555-555-5555 works almost everywhere. They don't want to call you anyway, that costs way more than an email.

Re: The FCC Has Fined Robocallers $208M, Collected $6,790

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That's pretty clever, I didn't even consider this as an option. How do you block landlines? I currently have 'do not disturb' on and whitelist my contacts but it's not ideal.

In my country, landlines starts with certain code. So I simply ignore and block any number that starts with those code. I hate robocalls. I wish there was a way to reject all calls coming from numbers who aren't on my contact list.

> I wish there was a way to reject all calls coming from numbers who aren't on my contact list.

What kind of phone do you have? There are definitely Android apps that do this. This is the one I happen to use, there are many others: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.grus.callb...

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