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Netflix, HBO and Cable Giants Are Coming for Password Sharers

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Re: Netflix, HBO and Cable Giants Are Coming for Password Sharers

#171

No worries, I'll just use the torrent sharers. I bet those will give me a constant 4K quality on all my devices, no ridiculous DRM, get to keep them once I terminate my "subscription", etc. Oh and it's free, not 10-15$ USD for each service.

Convenience does not justify theft. You don't have an entitlement to consume specific content.

Re: Netflix, HBO and Cable Giants Are Coming for Password Sharers

#172

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There will be people who cannot afford entertainment and will pirate no matter what. That a red hearing and it doesn't matter. I don't care about bundles/deal/special arrangement all I care about is convenience. Netflix used to be more convenient to watch quality series and I was using it exclusively. I paid fair price for convenience. Starting show where you left of skipping intros etc, all of those things made me p…

So far no solution besides “pirating” has met this one simple requirement: “On-demand access to any movie or TV show I can think of that has ever been digitized, from one service.” That’s it. If you can provide that, take my money. In the, say 20 years since broadband existed, literally no legit company has offered this yet, for any price.

Amazon on demand (yes you have to pay for all content) is pretty damn close to this.

Re: Netflix, HBO and Cable Giants Are Coming for Password Sharers

#173

At least with Netflix, where I pay for a given number of screens, I don't see how this will work in their favor.

Netflix uses password sharing as a marketing tactic. They've announced that. At some point, passowrd sharing gets too efficient, and Netflix would have to switch to something like an Xhr for $Y plan, like cell phone minutes and GBs. IMO that plan makes more sense anyway.

Re: Netflix, HBO and Cable Giants Are Coming for Password Sharers

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They are coming for them too. Don't think that they have forgotten about them.

HBO has been monitoring torrents for a long time and sending letters to ISPs. VPNs and seed boxes get around this.

Not everybody is in DMCA jurisdiction. Maximum liability in Canada is something like $5000, which makes it uneconomical for a copyright owner to actually send a lawyer to court to litigate against a person who wants to defend themselves.

Re: Netflix, HBO and Cable Giants Are Coming for Password Sharers

#175

No worries, I'll just use the torrent sharers. I bet those will give me a constant 4K quality on all my devices, no ridiculous DRM, get to keep them once I terminate my "subscription", etc. Oh and it's free, not 10-15$ USD for each service.

Convenience does not justify theft. You don't have an entitlement to consume specific content.

Same as pushing DRMed exclusives for rent doesn't help reducing it.

Re: Netflix, HBO and Cable Giants Are Coming for Password Sharers

#176

No worries, I'll just use the torrent sharers. I bet those will give me a constant 4K quality on all my devices, no ridiculous DRM, get to keep them once I terminate my "subscription", etc. Oh and it's free, not 10-15$ USD for each service.

I may (or may not) have built my own Netflix competitor. It had more content than all of the major providers combined.

Legal buffer: I will not say what the content was. It may have all been non-copyrighted cat videos ;)

The service was available cross region. Stored videos in multiple resolutions for streamability in low-bandwidth situations. No DRM bs. It cost me under $400/month to run the whole service, and I could access it from any device, anywhere I had internet.

I gave access to a few friends and family and they all chipped in to help cover expenses (it was never profitable). I ran it for a few months before I started to lose interest in maintaining it - it was mostly just a proof-of-concept, and fell back to Netflix/HBO/other subs for convenience.

I applaud Netflix, HBO, etc for offering competitive solutions to monopolistic cable companies and other restrictive media outlets, but this will always remain a problem.

Once you create a piece of art and put it out for the world to see, you cannot control how/when/where it will be shown. Stop trying... Just make it more convenient for people to pay to view it.

Going after people for low-level copyright violation, like sharing a password, is childish.

Re: Netflix, HBO and Cable Giants Are Coming for Password Sharers

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I’m referring to massive consistent usage from the same IP. Most residential IP addresses are dynamic but remain fixed for weeks or months at a time. It’d be easy to see that the same IP not associated with the actual customer account has streamed every day for the past month. Hell I bet they could go a step further and identify the exact person as well! There’s so little competition that it’s likely the account hold…

Yes. I'm sure it's very "easy" and wouldn't end up making mistakes and generating lots of customer support calls and subscription cancelations.

As long as they are careful and work their way down from the most egregious offendors, it wouldn't be such a big deal.

They could also do techniques like gentle shaming "Your account has been used from 46 locations in 7 states today. We might start charging for this level of account-sharing in the future"

Re: Netflix, HBO and Cable Giants Are Coming for Password Sharers

#178

No worries, I'll just use the torrent sharers. I bet those will give me a constant 4K quality on all my devices, no ridiculous DRM, get to keep them once I terminate my "subscription", etc. Oh and it's free, not 10-15$ USD for each service.

They are coming for them too. Don't think that they have forgotten about them.

They could for years do something about it. I.e. start offering DRM-free video for sale. They never cared, so the conclusion is that they don't want to do anything proper about it, they will only spread the DRM paranoia.

Re: Netflix, HBO and Cable Giants Are Coming for Password Sharers

#179

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> I'm willing to concede there are some people stealing who would pay but I can promise you it's nowhere near 100%. Hell, if the situation with games is any indication there are people who will pirate the game after paying for it to get rid of always-on requirements or other intrusive DRM.

I can tell you I know a number of people who pay for Netflix/Amazon Prime/Apple TV+/Hulu/HBO/etc and then turn around and pirate the same content because watching it though Plex/other is simply a better experience. And frankly, I 100% understand where they are coming from: 1. What platform was I watching show X on? 2. Oh Platform X removed show Y? Well it's also on Platform Z but now I can't remember where I was in t…

8. If you watch using (most) web browsers you'll be limited to 720p

E.g. Netflix: https://help.netflix.com/en/node/23931

Re: Netflix, HBO and Cable Giants Are Coming for Password Sharers

#180

No worries, I'll just use the torrent sharers. I bet those will give me a constant 4K quality on all my devices, no ridiculous DRM, get to keep them once I terminate my "subscription", etc. Oh and it's free, not 10-15$ USD for each service.

Convenience does not justify theft. You don't have an entitlement to consume specific content.

I really think we need new language around digital content. I'm not a lawyer but it seems intuitive to say "the reason theft is bad is because you're taking something from somebody else that they, then, no longer have" or "you did not compensate somebody for services that, had they provided those services to somebody else, they would otherwise be compensated for."

With digital content this is just not the case. The original file still exists. You not paying for a movie you download does not deprive the license-holder of an opportunity to offer that download to somebody else. Only the opportunity to sell it to you, one they wouldn't have had in the first place because of [your stance on draconian DRM, high prices for streaming, needing multiple different services instead of a single stop, etc]. What did they lose?

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