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Re: Netflix, HBO and Cable Giants Are Coming for Password Sharers

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Post by henrikschroder »

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #48
tsukurimashou wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

making a copy of something is not the same as stealing

You're right - it's not stealing, but it's not right either. Do you think there should be no intellectual rights? Are you OK with everyone copying whatever side-project revenue stream you may have without paying you?

That's not the point. The point is that copyright infringement is a very well-defined crime, and the activities we are talking about here are copyright infringement.

It's not theft. It's not fraud. It's not vandalism.

And yet, people in these discussion use those wrong terms to describe the activity. But the only reason they do that, is because they want to attach the greater stigma of those crimes, onto the less stigmatized crime of copyright infringement.

And that's a dishonest argument.

Re: Netflix, HBO and Cable Giants Are Coming for Password Sharers

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Post by papln »

me_me_me wrote: post #100
rayiner wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you feel entitled to get the product of other peoples work for free?

The moment I needed a bloody table with different companies/packages/subscription in order to figure-out how to watch that show I heard from a friend, I just go to a place where i can get it right now and watch it with my food still warm. Its not customer's fault that the only option for that is now piracy. You want my business earn it, I've yet to see people jumping hurdles and run 10km to get McD burger. Then momen…

Are you entitled to get anything not sold on Amazon for free, because it's inconvenient ot go to more than one store?

Can I dine and dash from Ruth Chris Steakhouse becuse they charge more than McDonald's? Can I at least grab the broccoli for free since McDonald's doesn't offer that?

Re: Netflix, HBO and Cable Giants Are Coming for Password Sharers

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Post by papln »

ryandrake wrote: post #118
me_me_me wrote: post #114

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There will be people who cannot afford entertainment and will pirate no matter what. That a red hearing and it doesn't matter. I don't care about bundles/deal/special arrangement all I care about is convenience. Netflix used to be more convenient to watch quality series and I was using it exclusively. I paid fair price for convenience. Starting show where you left of skipping intros etc, all of those things made me p…

So far no solution besides “pirating” has met this one simple requirement: “On-demand access to any movie or TV show I can think of that has ever been digitized, from one service.” That’s it. If you can provide that, take my money. In the, say 20 years since broadband existed, literally no legit company has offered this yet, for any price.

Maybe it's not such a "simple" requirement.

Re: Netflix, HBO and Cable Giants Are Coming for Password Sharers

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Post by joshstrange »

megablast wrote: post #141
joshstrange wrote: post #20

> If none of those tactics work, pay-TV subscribers could someday be required to sign into their accounts using their thumbprints. This feels like an idea from some idiot corporate suit who said "Well there are fingerprint readers on phones, let's use that to lock down accounts" without understanding that your app just gets as "Yes" or a "No" when you ask the phone to scan a fingerprint. The apps themselves don't get…

> This feels like an idea from some idiot corporate suit who said "Well there are fingerprint readers on phones, let's use that to lock down accounts" without understanding that your app just gets as "Yes" or a "No" when you ask the phone to scan a fingerprint. The apps themselves don't get to the see the scan. I don't know what your point is, but that would work just as well for them too.

How would that work for them?

All I have to do is login once on my friend's device then from then on even if the app asks for biometrics it will work since it will be THEIR biometrics.

Also I can add 5 different people's fingerprints to my device (if that even what the companies are trying to prevent, which it's not).

Re: Netflix, HBO and Cable Giants Are Coming for Password Sharers

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Post by option »

perennate wrote: post #139
mrtksn wrote: post #135

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can't you just subscribe to all of them and use Apple TV or some Smart TV for the seamless experience?

Yes, for $200/mo, and you cannot watch when you're on the go with just laptop and no Apple TV device, and when Amazon and Netflix go bankrupt you won't be able to go back and watch all that content. At least nowadays we can still get most content on DVD. It just feels like a waste with the physical media.

Surprisingly, even that won’t be enough! Like I commented above - try watching “Spirited Away” via that method .... and you can’t, unless you buy a disk! (and this isn’t the only example)

Re: Netflix, HBO and Cable Giants Are Coming for Password Sharers

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Post by eximius »

harryh wrote: post #106
me_me_me wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The moment I needed a bloody table with different companies/packages/subscription in order to figure-out how to watch that show I heard from a friend, I just go to a place where i can get it right now and watch it with my food still warm. Its not customer's fault that the only option for that is now piracy. You want my business earn it, I've yet to see people jumping hurdles and run 10km to get McD burger. Then momen…

I remember 10 years ago that the answer to rayiner's question was always "I don't want to pay a ton of money for a whole bundle of crap I don't want when all I want to watch is one specific thing." I saw it all the time. Now people complain about the complexities of unbundling. It's fairly clear to me that these complaints, while real, aren't the core issue which is: people would rather get content for free than pay…

Eh, it's price + complexity.

People don't want to pay full price for 100% of a service's catalog when they only consume 10%.

People don't want to pay the complexity of switching between more than 2-3 services when they only consume 10% of each catalog.

Both of those are true.

People want ONE portal where they pay a 'fair'[1] price.

I want one service (low complexity) that has all the content I want and charges me fairly (low(er) price due to lack of absurd bundles).

[1] - fair is nebulous. People don't always like a la cart pricing, but they also don't want bundles of things they don't want.

Re: Netflix, HBO and Cable Giants Are Coming for Password Sharers

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Post by papln »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #89
rayiner wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dislike the book analogy because it puts on the cloak of “sharing learning.” The kinda of things people are pirating are consumer goods—created solely for the purpose of being sold for entertainment. It’s stealing candy, not stealing bread.

Let's split the difference. It'd be like parking outside the drive-in theater and watching the movie from the top of your car without having bought a ticket. Still not good, but of limited harm caused.

It's OK if I steal a copy because someone else is willing to pay for it.

Ask Immanuel Kant how he feels about that.

Re: Netflix, HBO and Cable Giants Are Coming for Password Sharers

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Post by bena »

megablast wrote: post #157
bena wrote: post #128

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I think people aren't articulating what they want. People hate the cable companies because you're paying high prices for a bunch of bullshit. People hate the plethora of streaming services because now they have to pay 50 different places. Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, HBO, etc. What people want to do is choose what "channels" or shows they want and pay one entity. Basically Amazon Prime's model of adding on CBS All Access o…

> People hate the cable companies because you're paying high prices for a bunch of bullshit. People also love cable companies because of all the content, always have and always will. That is why they pay them billions a year. I am not sure what your point is?

Yes, but the guy I responded to was mentioning the common complaint against cable. That you were paying for all the stuff you didn't want to get the things you want.

So I don't see your point. Yes, cable has a lot of stuff. But not everyone wants all of it.

That's the issue. No one wants to feel as if they're paying for stuff they aren't using.

Re: Netflix, HBO and Cable Giants Are Coming for Password Sharers

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Post by papln »

kranner wrote: post #72
robcohen wrote: post #34

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I think the issue here is that culture should on some level be free. This is why libraries are free. Personally, I want to financially support media creators, but every time I get a forced prereel commercial, or Hulu inserts ads in a service I pay for, I make a mental note to care a little less. Every time I’m region restricted, I make a mental note. Every time my browser widevine plugin breaks and I can’t watch some…

> I think the issue here is that culture should on some level be free. This is why libraries are free. Should software be free as well then? It seems to me it should fit the definition of culture, and the economics of e.g. a game seem similar to the economics of making a movie.

Everything should be free but I should still get my salary.
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