A new book on cannibalism in the 1921 Russian famine

Post by lacampbell » Tue, Nov 05, 2019, 7:54 AM UTC

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It's interesting though how very well meaning utopian policies The largest tragedy of the 21st century is that people still think these policies and these people were 'well-meaning' or 'it just went a bit wrong'. It seems that only when we defeat murderous totalitarians militarily that we understand them for what they are.

> still think these policies and these people were 'well-meaning' It’s awfully hard to imagine that Mao actually was hoping that people would die, and that they would die en masse of starvation: even if he was strictly self-serving and heartless, he must have known in the back of his mind that huge populations of starving people are unpredictable and difficult to govern. The only way I can picture this taking place i…

Post by lacampbell » Tue, Nov 05, 2019, 12:01 PM UTC

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Post by merpnderp » Tue, Nov 05, 2019, 3:37 PM UTC

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Socialist states can't be realized through democracy because it's almost impossible to get the majority of people to vote away their agency and embrace suicide.

The onus is therefore on us to convince them that "voting away their agency and embracing suicide" is red scare nonsense, and to show them who perpetuates those myths and why. American socialists have been making amazing progress in that regard, as of late.

Post by dang » Tue, Nov 05, 2019, 9:34 PM UTC

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It's interesting though how very well meaning utopian policies The largest tragedy of the 21st century is that people still think these policies and these people were 'well-meaning' or 'it just went a bit wrong'. It seems that only when we defeat murderous totalitarians militarily that we understand them for what they are.

people still think these policies and these people were 'well-meaning' or 'it just went a bit wrong' They are taught to think that by people who want to have another go. Of course those people won’t be joining you in the fields, they see themselves as card-carrying Party members. Think I’m kidding? https://mobile.twitter.com/bbcthisweek/status/67003748693718... We have a General Election coming up in the UK and milli…

Post by dang » Tue, Nov 05, 2019, 9:35 PM UTC

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"Hungry Ghosts: Mao's Secret Famine" is a related book, which covers this phenomenon in 1950s China. It's not a pleasant topic. Some people ate their children to survive. It's interesting though how very well meaning utopian policies can lead to this result. Planting the seed 5 ft beneath the ground will result in great crops because the seed will have to struggle and thus only the best seed will make it to harvest.…

It's interesting though how very well meaning utopian policies The largest tragedy of the 21st century is that people still think these policies and these people were 'well-meaning' or 'it just went a bit wrong'. It seems that only when we defeat murderous totalitarians militarily that we understand them for what they are.