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T-Mobile demand Lemonade to stop using the color magenta

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Re: T-Mobile demand Lemonade to stop using the color magenta

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Unfortunately they have to do this if they don’t want to lose the trademark. You can’t trademark something if it’s deemed to be of common use. Of course if your trademark is a color then this can be quite difficult.

> Unfortunately they have to do this if they don’t want to lose the trademark.

That's what the lawyers say, anyway. Thousands of companies manage to do business for decades without egregious trademark actions.

Re: T-Mobile demand Lemonade to stop using the color magenta

#23

Modern trademark laws (and IP laws in general) are generally upsetting. It seems like they exist primarily for the benefit of large established players. Nevermind that owning the exclusive rights to use a particular colour in this way is absurd.

Honestly, I'm not sure the laws are the issue, but rather the cost of fighting lawsuits in the courts.

Re: T-Mobile demand Lemonade to stop using the color magenta

#25
post #14

They're not even using the same pink! So this isn't just a usual "trademarks just work this way" thing, it's also a question of how much of the colorspace a trademark can own. The techcrunch article is a bit more informative -- https://techcrunch.com/2019/11/04/lemonade-gets-a-nastygram-...

I'm going to trademark the color blue. Now every silicon valley startup is infringing.

Re: T-Mobile demand Lemonade to stop using the color magenta

#27
post #2

This might seem like overreach, but is just a natural consequence of trademark laws. If you can trademark a name as simple as "apple", and if you can trademark an icon as simple as 4 squares of identical size and shape next to another (windows/microsoft), then it becomes quite obvious that colors are treated the same. In the end, trademark laws as a whole will have to be reformed, but this is just a natural consequen…

>then it becomes quite obvious that colors are treated the same.

Does it? Because that seems like nonsense.

Re: T-Mobile demand Lemonade to stop using the color magenta

#28
post #4

Unfortunately they have to do this if they don’t want to lose the trademark. You can’t trademark something if it’s deemed to be of common use. Of course if your trademark is a color then this can be quite difficult.

> Unfortunately they have to do this if they don’t want to lose the trademark. That's what the lawyers say, anyway. Thousands of companies manage to do business for decades without egregious trademark actions.

Consider this scenario:

Company A has a trademark. Company B creates its own product (perhaps trademarked as well) which is somewhat similar to Company A's trademark but in a sufficiently different product space that a lawsuit by Company A would seem potentially frivolous. Company B then grows its business over several years, starts moving into adjacent product categories, and ends up with a product that now could get mixed up with Company A's. Company A sues Company B, but Company B argues that it has invested a lot into its own brand, and Company A should have been policing its brand years ago to make sure Company B doesn't end up investing in a brand that Company A would end up considering infringing down the road.

Re: T-Mobile demand Lemonade to stop using the color magenta

#29
post #2

This might seem like overreach, but is just a natural consequence of trademark laws. If you can trademark a name as simple as "apple", and if you can trademark an icon as simple as 4 squares of identical size and shape next to another (windows/microsoft), then it becomes quite obvious that colors are treated the same. In the end, trademark laws as a whole will have to be reformed, but this is just a natural consequen…

You have a gross misunderstanding of how it works.

You can't trademark the entire word "apple" you can trademark the the word apple within a set of industries. You can't start a computer/isp/copy machine company called apple, but you definitely can start a woodworking shop called apple.

Re: T-Mobile demand Lemonade to stop using the color magenta

#30
post #14

They're not even using the same pink! So this isn't just a usual "trademarks just work this way" thing, it's also a question of how much of the colorspace a trademark can own. The techcrunch article is a bit more informative -- https://techcrunch.com/2019/11/04/lemonade-gets-a-nastygram-...

A comment elsewhere here links to a color comparison. Looking at them, I doubt I could tell you which one is T-Mobile and which is Lemonade with confidence greater than chance.
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