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Separating gifted children hasn't led to better achievement

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Re: Separating gifted children hasn't led to better achievement

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Post by waterhouse »

Mirioron wrote: post #205
bigger_cheese wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My high school in Australia (years 7-12) was structured similarly, there was a gifted program for the high performing students. I don't think there were other tracks, it was pretty much just high achievers classes and than the regular pool of students. I can remember vividly my parents wanted to send me to private (Catholic) high school after Primary school. I begged not to be separated from my existing friends who w…

> I always felt like such a fraud compared to him. I got good grades because my parents leaned so hard on me to put in the work, even at the time I was conscious of that. He got good grades because he was naturally gifted and school came 'easily' to him. I wonder if he might not have felt the same way because he put in so much less effort, but still did well. If you put in a lot of effort regardless of the outcome yo…

And never being confronted with tasks that require hard work, during one's formative years, is a curse.

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Post by Tade0 »

mynegation wrote: post #221
hackerrenews wrote: post #9

I was fourth picked for g&t. First and second pick ended up being quite successful, as did the third picked. One has a high up, prestigious position at Amazon and the other retired from Microsoft wealthy. Me, I smoke weed and that’s about the only thing I’ve really done consistently since high school.. more consistently than music, and programming, even. Frankly, I wish I had been better separated from the other kids…

I started school in Russia in 80s. Back then there were no magnet schools in my small home town but now I realize that the ministry of education came up with a different solution to a bullying problem: a dedicated school for “special needs” children. I do not remember anyone being sent there for bad marks but repeated behavioral offenses would get you there. All the potential bullies were scared shitless to be sent t…

We (still) have the same thing in Poland.

Interestingly, people actually graduate from these schools and sometimes go to college afterwards.

I think it's a better system - why make the victim switch schools when obviously they aren't the problem here?

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Post by trempdig »

knowingathing wrote: post #260
trempdig wrote: post #258

The author of this article is an academic fraud who makes unsubstantiated claims in everything she does. Jo Boaler has an agenda without the data to support it, and her lies are used to support structural changes to school programs. Instead of responding to critics with facts and information, she just calls everyone who criticizes her a “bully”. https://www.nonpartisaneducation.org/Review/Essays/v8n5.htm

what are your thoughts on this? https://web.stanford.edu/~joboaler/Jo-Boaler-reveals-attacks...

She does absolutely nothing to dispute the points they made about her actual research. It’s ad hominem attacks on her critics and pointing out her own credentials. She’s never refuted any of their attacks on her work itself, because she knows her work can never be replicated.

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Post by sejtnjir »

ryandrake wrote: post #47

When I was in middle school in the 90s, I think around 7th grade (~12yo), the school district experimented with a new way of organizing the student body where they separated us into six distinct, equally sized cohorts based on some evaluation of each student's performance and capability. From what I could tell it was rougly: 1. Gifted / clearly university-bound 2. Potential college prep 3. Community college 4. Normal…

In the Netherlands, high schools are separated in three cohorts: practical education, higher education and academically oriented education. The latter are further divided in liberal arts tracks called 'Gymnasium' (notable for having Greek and Latin in the curriculum) and somewhat more practically oriented Atheneum. This has been the case since 1968.

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Post by zebby »

sershe wrote: post #232

I actually wonder what's up with bullying in US schools. I grew up in Moscow, Russia in the 90ies (many people were not well off to say the least) and I was both super nerdy and extremely eh, daring (I would talk back to other kids who were much stronger/more popular than me all the time etc.). Sure, I was not popular, yet I was bullied lightly and almost never physically, mostly by a couple classmates who were just…

The difference is obvious, niggers.

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Post by trempdig »

jl2718 wrote: post #225
underpand wrote: post #97

The SF algebra change is NOT a success. Most of the stats are cherrypicked and misleading. > For instance, after San Francisco Unified de-tracked math, the proportion of students failing algebra fell from 40 percent to 8 percent and the proportion of students taking advanced classes rose to a third, the highest percentage in district history. This compares the number of 8th graders who failed Algebra 1 before the cha…

That is a shocking level of journalistic mendacity, absolutely intent to decieve. It begs the question: What is the author trying to accomplish, and why? So far, the “equality of outcomes” crusade seems to have an abysmal record with the truth. It’s become a lampoon of legitimate socio-economic problems.

The author has accomplished everything she wanted. She’s used faked science to push her agenda and sell a lot of books along the way. Because of her progressive credentials, anyone who questions her gets skewered by an army of 2nd grade teachers who eat up the pseudoscience. She’s the math version of “The Secret”.

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Post by ossworkerrights »

scarejunba wrote: post #259
ossworkerrights wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is pretty racist to be honest. America took you out from a country where people defecate in the fields, yet you praise the resilience performing that action taught you. Why didnt you just stay there and continue doing it, instead of living among these self entitled brats that had given you a better life? Is it because you wanted to defecate on keyboards instead and produce the crapwate that everyone complaints a…

Listen, you can react like this (trying to provoke me) or you can choose to better yourself. Every second is an opportunity. Good luck.

Spoken like a true wildling.

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Post by varjag »

bg4 wrote: post #190
bcrosby95 wrote: post #148

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He said he did bad because he was bullied. Smart people aren't the only ones that get bullied. If the problem is bullying you aren't fixing it by pulling someone out, the bullies will just target other people.

The bullies aren't living healthy, productive lives either. More than likely, their home life is awful if not horrific.

Sharing the misery to rest of the kids however is hardly a solution.

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Post by rimliu »

Smithalicious wrote: post #236
ryandrake wrote: post #47

When I was in middle school in the 90s, I think around 7th grade (~12yo), the school district experimented with a new way of organizing the student body where they separated us into six distinct, equally sized cohorts based on some evaluation of each student's performance and capability. From what I could tell it was rougly: 1. Gifted / clearly university-bound 2. Potential college prep 3. Community college 4. Normal…

This pseudo caste system was probably beneficial to you in the upper caste, but I don't think students in tier 3 and below saw their lives improve.

Keeping them together would not improve tier 3 lives a bit (besides providing more targets for bullying), but would hurt tiers 1 and 2.

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Post by etagobla »

zebby wrote: post #265
sershe wrote: post #232

I actually wonder what's up with bullying in US schools. I grew up in Moscow, Russia in the 90ies (many people were not well off to say the least) and I was both super nerdy and extremely eh, daring (I would talk back to other kids who were much stronger/more popular than me all the time etc.). Sure, I was not popular, yet I was bullied lightly and almost never physically, mostly by a couple classmates who were just…

The difference is obvious, niggers.

This made me laugh purely with shock value, but it made me laugh a lot.
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