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Engineer Says Software Firm Cut Her Maternity Leave Short After Her Baby Died

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Re: Engineer Says Software Firm Cut Her Maternity Leave Short After Her Baby Died

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I had a coworker who went through this. My bosses were very gracious. She was on leave for some time, purely for mental health reasons. And I’m sure returning to work with her job intact was a major comfort. Our direct boss at the time would meet with her for lunch occasionally until she felt well enough to come back. I’m willing to bet it was the best way it could have gone for her in light of what she experienced.…

What a tremendous display of empathy and leadership to visit your grieving employee.

This should be the normal course of business... Humanity has taken a backseat to profits in many areas of modern life.

Re: Engineer Says Software Firm Cut Her Maternity Leave Short After Her Baby Died

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We're in an odd state of paralysis as a society. On the one hand, we acknowledge that there are birth rate / population-related issues coming rapidly down the pipeline at us, problems we acknowledge can only be solved by either supporting existing citizens/families in having more children or mass migration. Through exhaustion with unaccountable corruption and reckless, ineffective public spending by all parties on th…

> population-related issues don't we also have far more pressing carbon emissions issues though ? Isn't population decline such a bad thing. Do we really need billions and billions of people because its 'good for the economy'

The western world is already a minority of world population.....

Re: Engineer Says Software Firm Cut Her Maternity Leave Short After Her Baby Died

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Because of cases like this article. Evidently this woman's employer does not have the insight to behave like decent human beings and needs to be forced. Your argument can be turned on just about any labor law. "It may be reasonable for a company to do this, but why should they be forced?" The answer is without reasonable minimum standards, some people will exploit their employees.

That doesn’t speak to why the employer should do this rather than government. When employers provide this social good they will inevitably call some of the shots; why should their voice have influence on this matter? To me, this is similar to the public coming to the feeling that digital public spaces are worthy, but then the conversation turns to whether Facebook should be the one doing it...

The employer has to do it because they're the one who employs the person experiencing the loss. If this guarantee is written into law, then the company's voice will not have much influence on the matter. This is how labor law works.

Re: Engineer Says Software Firm Cut Her Maternity Leave Short After Her Baby Died

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Sure, but the bereavement leave for a child should be much more than 8 weeks. And it costs so little to provide since it is relatively rare in the developed world.

This seems a little naive. No company offers more than 8 weeks of bereavement. Most places I have seen are about 3 days. So 6 weeks is extremely generous if that is the benchmark.

Yes, what I’m saying is that 3 days bereavement for the death of a child is pathologically inhumane, even if it is depressingly common. It’s not “naive” to call out terrible things, even when they’ve been so around that we have come to think of them as “normal.”

Re: Engineer Says Software Firm Cut Her Maternity Leave Short After Her Baby Died

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How on earth did you come to that conclusion?

Absolutely compare what a single person gets on JSA to the much more generous Unemployment benefits lasting much longer than it does in the UK

Wow, you appear misinformed. Unemployment benefits in the US vary by state, in some states they last only three months. The amount you receive is based on the income you had before receiving it, so it could be more or less than the UK standard payments.

That aside, unemployment payments are funded as a completely separate system to every other kind of welfare in the US and so they demonstrate nothing at all about how other payments could be afforded.

Re: Engineer Says Software Firm Cut Her Maternity Leave Short After Her Baby Died

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No but in terms of risk management HR is taking a huge gamble that a bunch of people getting recruiter offers aren't going to go "you know what, screw this place" and leave.

Yeah here's the thing - if you get a better offer... Leave. If you operate otherwise you're a fool.

The idea that there's zero-cost to looking for jobs or switching jobs is incredibly naive, doubly so if you're American.

Re: Engineer Says Software Firm Cut Her Maternity Leave Short After Her Baby Died

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We're in an odd state of paralysis as a society. On the one hand, we acknowledge that there are birth rate / population-related issues coming rapidly down the pipeline at us, problems we acknowledge can only be solved by either supporting existing citizens/families in having more children or mass migration. Through exhaustion with unaccountable corruption and reckless, ineffective public spending by all parties on th…

> population-related issues don't we also have far more pressing carbon emissions issues though ? Isn't population decline such a bad thing. Do we really need billions and billions of people because its 'good for the economy'

Population decline in and of itself is not a bad thing. The societies and structures we've created, such as public pensions, do rely on continual growth though and without it will face a crisis.

Re: Engineer Says Software Firm Cut Her Maternity Leave Short After Her Baby Died

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On Oct 4 a friend (code name “Paul”) and I were at a viewing for our 25 year old friend who passed from falling while hiking. “Paul” and I both have boys born this year (5-6 months old). After attending the viewing, we both noted how sad it was to watch the father and mother in such a terrible situation. The worst for any parent, and somehow slightly more understandable now that we are parents ourselves. That night h…

That is utterly tragic. Please be good to "Paul", and do not expect him to "get over it" anytime soon. It doesn't work like that in my experience. If he and family are ready for it, perhaps mentioning The Compassionate Friends -- along with its link I've posted elsewhere in this page -- might be gratefully received? My local chapter is wonderful, and has kept my wife and I as sane as we are after losing our (only) so…

Thanks. I know my friends will never get over it. My wife had a sister that passed at 6 months old from a heart issue and my MiL said exactly that (“they’ll never forget its always with you every hour of every day”).

If you don’t mind my asking what part of the world are you in?

Re: Engineer Says Software Firm Cut Her Maternity Leave Short After Her Baby Died

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> population-related issues don't we also have far more pressing carbon emissions issues though ? Isn't population decline such a bad thing. Do we really need billions and billions of people because its 'good for the economy'

Population decline in and of itself is not a bad thing. The societies and structures we've created, such as public pensions, do rely on continual growth though and without it will face a crisis.

so the only solution is to keep increasing the population ?
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