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Re: Visual Studio online available for public preview

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Post by colechristensen »

einpoklum wrote: post #45
AlexeyBrin wrote: post #36

It would be great if there would be a free tier for people that want to learn C++ with VS. Something that lets you use VS online for small C++ programs (similar with Compiler Explorer but with support for running the generated binary) to build and run these small programs.

No, it would not be great. We should not condone luring people into reliance on closed proprietary technology with "free tiers". It would be great if people organized and got Intellectual Property thoroughly de-legitimized.

What's left? What can you own and control and sell and restrict?

The Chinese economy doesn't have intellectual property restrictions to speak of, would you prefer that economy? (everything is a copy of a copy of a copy and most of it is terrible)

How do specialist tools get created, things of high value which take a lot of work to produce and have only a small number of users?

We use money and restrictions on property to allocate resources, if you take that away there is still allocation, but is it always better? (say, squabbling wikipedia or stackoverflow zealots)

Re: Visual Studio online available for public preview

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Post by Const-me »

lostintangent wrote: post #6

Hey All! I’m a PM on the Visual Studio Online team (as well as Live Share and IntelliCode), and we’re extremely excited to have more developers try out the product. Our goal is to dramatically reduce the cost of setup/onboarding, enable better team/classroom collaboration, and further support remote development. We believe that having on-demand, cloud-powered dev environments, that are accessible from VS Code and the…

> Let us know if you have any questions/comments/feedback

OK. What you wrote on that web site, "run, and debug your applications from any device", reads like a false advertisement.

I do CAD/CAM/CAE, for that I need a physical GPU. I do embedded, for that I need custom physical hardware, running specific build of Linux. I do multimedia, for that I need a physical GPU with all their hardware codecs. I do GPGPU, same thing.

Maybe you should specify which types of applications are actually supported?

Re: Visual Studio online available for public preview

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Post by aikah »

bouke wrote: post #2

What is the use case for a hosted Visual Studio Code?

> What is the use case for a hosted Visual Studio Code?

The same as Amazon cloud9, and other online IDE, it's about not having to install any SDK on your own computer to develop apps, which is really handy in the era of cheap SSD laptops and mobility.

I have used cloud9 for years, unfortunately the editor itself hasn't had a real update for a long time. So VS online is a welcome addition.

Congrats to the VSO team at Microsoft.

Re: Visual Studio online available for public preview

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Post by kkarakk »

einpoklum wrote: post #45
AlexeyBrin wrote: post #36

It would be great if there would be a free tier for people that want to learn C++ with VS. Something that lets you use VS online for small C++ programs (similar with Compiler Explorer but with support for running the generated binary) to build and run these small programs.

No, it would not be great. We should not condone luring people into reliance on closed proprietary technology with "free tiers". It would be great if people organized and got Intellectual Property thoroughly de-legitimized.

eh, we're already seeing that with all the "free" online IDEs that have proliferated. i've switched all my python code kata-ing to microsoft azure jupyter notebooks for eg, used to use cloud9 before they got bought out by amazon

Re: Visual Studio online available for public preview

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Post by tluyben2 »

gameswithgo wrote: post #33
criddell wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ease of development environment setup That's a pretty compelling reason for me. There are some projects (like Chrome, Firefox, or even OpenSceneGraph) that aren't trivial to compile entirely from source. It would be pretty sweet to have a ready-to-build environment with the project and all dependencies one click away.

Agreed, it is compelling. But not enough to overcome my abhorrence for adding latency to the development process! I wouldn't mind having that as an option though. Like, laptop in for repair, use the online dev environment. Traveling and have to fix a critical bug, hop on the cloud environment.

You should always have the option to run locally and ofcourse you can already do what you want via remote desktop/vnc/etc. I do and it works well (it's really fast usually for me; it feels faster than the mbp I have because when something is compiling, my local laptop doesn't feel like it's turning into a slow stream of lava).

Web-assembly might help some here; it should be possible for the devs to split this up, depending on the tasks, to client and serverside, maybe depending on your computer specs and on the requirements of the task at hand. That should fix the latency for tasks that need to be instant (code completion) and tasks that can be a few seconds/minutes (compiling/packing). I am aware these are mixed tasks while developing so clever use should be made of what can be done locally and what should be done remotely.

Re: Visual Studio online available for public preview

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Post by kkarakk »

aikah wrote: post #53
bouke wrote: post #2

What is the use case for a hosted Visual Studio Code?

> What is the use case for a hosted Visual Studio Code? The same as Amazon cloud9, and other online IDE, it's about not having to install any SDK on your own computer to develop apps, which is really handy in the era of cheap SSD laptops and mobility. I have used cloud9 for years, unfortunately the editor itself hasn't had a real update for a long time. So VS online is a welcome addition. Congrats to the VSO team at…

Yeah amazon basically froze cloud9 development last time i checked, i don't care enough to shift to whatever amazon has done to the thing...

Re: Visual Studio online available for public preview

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Post by lostintangent »

Const-me wrote: post #52
lostintangent wrote: post #6

Hey All! I’m a PM on the Visual Studio Online team (as well as Live Share and IntelliCode), and we’re extremely excited to have more developers try out the product. Our goal is to dramatically reduce the cost of setup/onboarding, enable better team/classroom collaboration, and further support remote development. We believe that having on-demand, cloud-powered dev environments, that are accessible from VS Code and the…

> Let us know if you have any questions/comments/feedback OK. What you wrote on that web site, "run, and debug your applications from any device", reads like a false advertisement. I do CAD/CAM/CAE, for that I need a physical GPU. I do embedded, for that I need custom physical hardware, running specific build of Linux. I do multimedia, for that I need a physical GPU with all their hardware codecs. I do GPGPU, same th…

That’s totally fair. Over time, our goal is to expand the platforms and application types we support (we’re currently focused on web/APIs), because we believe value props remain the same, regardless if you’re doing desktop, mobile, data science, etc.

That said, we can definitely make sure to be clearer about where we’re at in our journey towards enabling this promise more broadly. Apologies for the confusion!

In the meantime, we also allow registering your own machines with the service, since we’ll never be able to provide all of the customized environments that devs need. With this “self-hosted environment”, you can benefit from the remote tooling experience (including the web editor), with your own compute. I’d love to hear if this would be helpful for you and your specific workloads.

Re: Visual Studio online available for public preview

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Post by kkarakk »

tluyben2 wrote: post #44
Someone1234 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nano/vim/emacs/etc over a remote (SSH) terminal, remote VM, or remote session via other means (e.g. VNC/RDC/etc). People use Visual Studio itself remotely via VMs and RDC.

Yep, I use Remotix on a remote mac on my ipad pro. It works well mostly . When the bandwidth is not sufficient, it really drives one up a wall ofcourse...

When you spend 1000s of dollars to get the dev experience we had at the dawn of the age of computing lol
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