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Re: Visual Studio online available for public preview

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Post by einpoklum » Mon, Nov 04, 2019, 3:49 PM UTC

OutsmartDan wrote: post #12

bouke wrote: post #2

What is the use case for a hosted Visual Studio Code?

Imagine you are in a cave, for no apparent reason, and your computer is no where to be found. The only computer there is a n old school terminal that is somehow running IE11. Your colleague commits something with tabs instead of spaces and you get the notification on your phone. Now you can easily login to VSCode online to re-indent everything with spaces, commit and push it back up, all through your web browser.

> Imagine you are in a cave

I thought you were going with a Platonic parable here, but then you threw in IE 11 into the mix :-(

Re: Visual Studio online available for public preview

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Post by tluyben2 » Mon, Nov 04, 2019, 3:52 PM UTC

Hates_ wrote: post #3

bouke wrote: post #2

What is the use case for a hosted Visual Studio Code?

Being able to code on my iPad Pro would be one for me.

Same here. The battery life is stellar on that thing; being a productive coder there would really help.

Re: Visual Studio online available for public preview

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Post by lostintangent » Mon, Nov 04, 2019, 3:53 PM UTC

Someone1234 wrote: post #18

lostintangent wrote: post #6

Hey All! I’m a PM on the Visual Studio Online team (as well as Live Share and IntelliCode), and we’re extremely excited to have more developers try out the product. Our goal is to dramatically reduce the cost of setup/onboarding, enable better team/classroom collaboration, and further support remote development. We believe that having on-demand, cloud-powered dev environments, that are accessible from VS Code and the…

Is the iPad's Safari browser considered a "first class citizen" from a testing/breakage perspective? And on a related note, do you have/know what the minimum requirements will look like? For example, could a low powered ARM-based Chromebook utilize it?

Safari on iPad is a critical scenario for us, however, it isn’t currently “officially” supported. Yet! Stay tuned to this GitHub issue, where we’ll provide updates on this very soon: https://github.com/MicrosoftDocs/vsonline/issues/33.

Regarding requirements, you could absolutely run the web editor from a Chromebook! Being able to utilize low-powered devices, while using real-world dev tools, is something we’re excited to enable with this service.

Re: Visual Studio online available for public preview

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Post by tluyben2 » Mon, Nov 04, 2019, 3:54 PM UTC

Someone1234 wrote: post #27

windsurfer wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What other remote development environments exist? I can only think of cloud9.

Nano/vim/emacs/etc over a remote (SSH) terminal, remote VM, or remote session via other means (e.g. VNC/RDC/etc). People use Visual Studio itself remotely via VMs and RDC.

Yep, I use Remotix on a remote mac on my ipad pro. It works well mostly. When the bandwidth is not sufficient, it really drives one up a wall ofcourse...

Re: Visual Studio online available for public preview

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Post by einpoklum » Mon, Nov 04, 2019, 3:54 PM UTC

AlexeyBrin wrote: post #36

It would be great if there would be a free tier for people that want to learn C++ with VS. Something that lets you use VS online for small C++ programs (similar with Compiler Explorer but with support for running the generated binary) to build and run these small programs.

No, it would not be great.

We should not condone luring people into reliance on closed proprietary technology with "free tiers".

It would be great if people organized and got Intellectual Property thoroughly de-legitimized.

Re: Visual Studio online available for public preview

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Post by lobo42 » Mon, Nov 04, 2019, 3:54 PM UTC

bouke wrote: post #2

What is the use case for a hosted Visual Studio Code?

The real killer app is not using an IDE in the browser but using disposable, automated dev environments. I've written a blog post about:

https://dev.to/svenefftinge/continuous-dev-environments-the-...

(Disclaimer: I work on gitpod.io which is similar to Visual Studio Online)

Re: Visual Studio online available for public preview

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Post by lostintangent » Mon, Nov 04, 2019, 3:55 PM UTC

lincolnq wrote: post #17

lostintangent wrote: post #6

Hey All! I’m a PM on the Visual Studio Online team (as well as Live Share and IntelliCode), and we’re extremely excited to have more developers try out the product. Our goal is to dramatically reduce the cost of setup/onboarding, enable better team/classroom collaboration, and further support remote development. We believe that having on-demand, cloud-powered dev environments, that are accessible from VS Code and the…

I'm very excited about this! I recently switched to desktop + iPad, and I can't currently code at all on the iPad because all the apps I tried suck. I'm hoping that VS Online will solve my problem.

This is absolutely a problem we hope to solve :) We’ll be adding “official” support for Safari on iPad soon, so stay tuned, and please don’t hesitate to reach out to let us know any feedback/questions you may have.

https://github.com/MicrosoftDocs/vsonline/issues/33

Re: Visual Studio online available for public preview

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Post by thrower123 » Mon, Nov 04, 2019, 3:56 PM UTC

Hates_ wrote: post #3

bouke wrote: post #2

What is the use case for a hosted Visual Studio Code?

Being able to code on my iPad Pro would be one for me.

I assume that if you're trying to do this, you've got a keyboard attached to your iPad - I think I'd rather stick forks in my eyes than try to code with an on-screen keyboard. So at that point, why not just use a laptop?

Re: Visual Studio online available for public preview

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Post by AlexeyBrin » Mon, Nov 04, 2019, 3:57 PM UTC

einpoklum wrote: post #45

AlexeyBrin wrote: post #36

It would be great if there would be a free tier for people that want to learn C++ with VS. Something that lets you use VS online for small C++ programs (similar with Compiler Explorer but with support for running the generated binary) to build and run these small programs.

No, it would not be great. We should not condone luring people into reliance on closed proprietary technology with "free tiers". It would be great if people organized and got Intellectual Property thoroughly de-legitimized.

I prefer a pragmatic solution and I encourage people to test their code with all available major C++ compilers (GCC, Clang and MSVC).

Re: Visual Studio online available for public preview

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Post by lostintangent » Mon, Nov 04, 2019, 3:59 PM UTC

lobo42 wrote: post #46

bouke wrote: post #2

What is the use case for a hosted Visual Studio Code?

The real killer app is not using an IDE in the browser but using disposable, automated dev environments. I've written a blog post about: https://dev.to/svenefftinge/continuous-dev-environments-the-... (Disclaimer: I work on gitpod.io which is similar to Visual Studio Online)

Agreed! The on-demand dev environments are the real star here. Whether you use the web editor is up to you, since we also support working from your existing VS Code desktop setup as well. That said, we’ve found that having the option of a full-fidelity web editor, that’s fully interopable with VS Code desktop, can provide valuable flexibility for many use cases (e.g. making a quick edit when out of the office, doing a “rich” PR review in the browser).