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The Feds are building an America-wide face surveillance system and ACLU is suing

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Post by mixmastamyk »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #38
skummetmaelk wrote: post #9

We have all the ingredients for Minority Report. Recording devices in people's homes (alexa, siri, google). AI inference that can be trained to predict violent crimes based on data from these always on devices. Nation wide person tracking system, just using faces instead of eyeballs. Yes yes, the always on devices are only on when you activate them with a keyword. So what. Once MicroGoogleZon proves that they can "pr…

My girlfriend's cellphone displays ads pertaining to our conversations. No wake word needed when some app has managed to seize mic access.

Where/when does it display the?

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Post by longerthoughts »

j8014 wrote: post #40
Rooster61 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hate getting political, but this is one of Andrew Yang's platform staples and is immediately relevant to your question. Look up his ideas about Data as a Right.

If it is to be political, I would rather target the legislative branch who can actually do something about this. It doesn't make sense to worry about the promises of a politician trying to get elected into the executive branch.

I don't think Andrew Yang has any expectation of actually becoming the Democratic candidate, let alone getting elected. Seems like he's just trying to bring new ideas to the debate stage because candidates actually trying to get elected won't risk straying too far from familiar ideas.

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Post by salawat »

linuxftw wrote: post #25

Weird. Nobody wants to limit the authority of the government until the government is infringing upon something they care about. If only there was some concept where we could specifically enumerate powers to the government, and that's all the government was allowed to do.

...Which wasn't undermined by constant torture of language and politically motivated misinterpretation, or subject to the whims of a highly constrained review mechanism in terms of being conclusively enforced/struck down?

Or flaunted with the understanding that the population of people that can actually call out your legislation is astoundingly small given that most have to survive as law abiding citizens while also being potentially harmed by malicious regulation that gets crammed through without review by any interpretive representative in order to ensure the authors fully understand second, third and fourth order consequences?

Sure would be...

Re: The Feds are building an America-wide face surveillance system and ACLU is suing

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Post by MisterTea »

trenning wrote: post #22

I can't be the only one who gets depressed reading the news on here. Everyday it's another article about your private information being sucked up and sold for advertising or hacked and sold to be used for stealing your identity or other nefarious shit. Then there's the public side of gov't agencies monitoring everything in your life. At any point they can send an email to any tech company and get a full dump of your…

> I can't be the only one who gets depressed reading the news on here. ..... This sounds like some conspiracy tinfoil hat old man rant (I swear I'm non of those), but I hear regular "non-tech" people airing the same complaints more and more. It's just disappointing that there isn't an option to not participate I guess. Sorry for the long (mostly off topic) rant

Rant on my friend. Rant on. You're not the only one getting depressed about all this lunacy. How about that yahoo article about white male depression or something. I'm sure shit like this is just another heavy rock on the pile of life we're carrying on our backs, white, male or not. It's a problem for everyone. Nineteen Eighty-Four is coming to life before our eyes. It's a damn prophecy.

I have friends who fully understand whats going on and chose to have alexas and rings in their home because they're lazy in the sense that they want to maximize their recreational and leisure time. They don't want to fiddle with the complexity of setting up their own cctv cameras, running wires and then figuring out how to remotely access it without leaving your home open to a hack. They don't want bulky PC's. They have careers, kids and a babysitter so easy peasy iot cameras with mobile phone apps are a godsend for them. They don't believe they are special enough to warrant surveillance. They say they'll just bore some eavesdropping spook. Ain't got nothing to hide.

I recently spoke with a musician who randomly complained about: operating systems that they couldn't control, phones tracking everything, ads tracking them, microphones and cameras everywhere which could be hack or backdoored, email spying by the provider, etc. They had a pretty good grasp of the situation as well. They even became proactive and opened a paid protonmail account. Then they asked about purism laptops and if they could live with using Linux.

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Post by rayiner »

sramsay wrote: post #24

In 2012, in a concurring opinion on a case involving warrantless GPS tracking, justice Sonya Sotomayor wrote: "More fundamentally, it may be necessary to reconsider the premise that an individual has no reasonable expectation of privacy in information voluntarily disclosed to third parties. This approach is ill suited to the digital age, in which people reveal a great deal of information about themselves to third par…

“Reasonable expectation of privacy” appears nowhere in the constitution. So you’re talking about adding more gloss on what is already a gloss.

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Post by oblib »

I just posted a link to this on my FB page and a friend responded with this:

"I was protesting at Bohemian Grove several years ago when an FBI agent came up to me, took a pic of my face and said have you heard of facial recognition technology? I was shocked but not surprised. As an intimidation tactic, it was pretty effective."

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Post by closeparen »

trenning wrote: post #22

I can't be the only one who gets depressed reading the news on here. Everyday it's another article about your private information being sucked up and sold for advertising or hacked and sold to be used for stealing your identity or other nefarious shit. Then there's the public side of gov't agencies monitoring everything in your life. At any point they can send an email to any tech company and get a full dump of your…

This is what it means to live in a community. The parts of life that happen outside the home are conducted in view of other people, who are constantly updating their profiles of you based on their observations and broadcasting any detected anomalies on the original gossip protocol. For a time, food and urban planning tech advances let us scale settlements past what our built-in organic surveillance networks could handle, and the gap gave us some privacy for once. But it seems inevitable that surveillance tech would eventually catch up.

It may not be all bad. Technological surveillance could at least be subject to oversight and regulation, where old school family- and community-based social norms monitoring could not.

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Post by no_opinions »

Generally speaking, police and security agencies have more rights to collect data and tap lines. This is true regardless of the country and how many protections they have.

Judging by comments, GDPR is something people in US may like. It may satiate a lot of concerns consumers balk at.

Did you know GDPR doesn't apply to law enforcement/security agencies collecting data?

Even if US changed (whatever that would mean, I don't know) regulations/laws in this respect, there's still going to be mechanisms where data has to be bulk collected for a security purpose.

The reason why is nobody has devised a way to know for sure what's interesting, at the time, while it goes through the wire, reliably, because it'd require being able to predict the future.

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Post by skummetmaelk »

mxuribe wrote: post #17
skummetmaelk wrote: post #9

We have all the ingredients for Minority Report. Recording devices in people's homes (alexa, siri, google). AI inference that can be trained to predict violent crimes based on data from these always on devices. Nation wide person tracking system, just using faces instead of eyeballs. Yes yes, the always on devices are only on when you activate them with a keyword. So what. Once MicroGoogleZon proves that they can "pr…

Funny, I like the slightly different version of MicroGooFaZon - because it includes that other org. which has a "few bytes" of data on lots of people, plus it sounds even goofier. ;-) But, right on with your comments.

Aw shucks, that's even better!
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