They’ve been doing this for a very long time. I’m less worried about the government and more worried about private corporations doing this.
The Feds are building an America-wide face surveillance system and ACLU is suing
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#12I guess “they have your old drivers license photo” is technically an America-wide surveillance system?
Would you not want a law enforcement body to be able to query against photos legally obtained?
Now, if they’re running additional programs with broader means (the FBI do not answer the ACLU on this which is why they’re suing) that is a different matter, but the ACLU does not assert this, only that it may be possible (and for that reason it should be stopped).
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#13They’ve been doing this for a very long time. I’m less worried about the government and more worried about private corporations doing this.
Given the government’s history of regulatory capture, which we already arguably see in areas of financial regulation, the possibility that the government could be coopted by private corporations to carry out mass surveillance cannot be ignored.
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#14How is this different than the FBI's longstanding fingerprint database? Just asking.
This is obviously more pervasive / invasive. How often did you identify yourself by fingerprint vs. every camera potentially pings your identity as you pass by.
The ACLU does not state that the FBI is doing this. They are suing to determine what policies the government has in place around facial recognition to determine whether they are allowed under current policy to do what you’re talking about.
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#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is obviously more pervasive / invasive. How often did you identify yourself by fingerprint vs. every camera potentially pings your identity as you pass by.
The ACLU does not state that the FBI is doing this. They are suing to determine what policies the government has in place around facial recognition to determine whether they are allowed under current policy to do what you’re talking about.
He didn't say they were, the parent asked how it was different from fingerprints.
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#16I guess “they have your old drivers license photo” is technically an America-wide surveillance system? Would you not want a law enforcement body to be able to query against photos legally obtained? Now, if they’re running additional programs with broader means (the FBI do not answer the ACLU on this which is why they’re suing) that is a different matter, but the ACLU does not assert this, only that it may be possible…
There's a huge qualitative difference.
Prior to this technology, a detective could certainly go with a suspect's name to the secretary of state and compare a driver's license photo with a security camera image. I have no issue with that, and I suspect the ACLU doesn't either. Subsequently, they're able to passively monitor all security camera images and compare them to millions of driver's license photos to track the locations of people not under investigation: that's a vastly different action.
This does far more than make it more difficult for the guilty to get away with crimes. That's not a cause anyone would advocate for. What it does that people are rallying against is that it makes it far easier for the innocent to be wrongly charged. And the old maxim that it's better for 10 guilty to go free than one innocent be punished would suggest it's wrong to pursue the former at the expense of the latter. Institutions like law enforcement will always seek to increase their power, that power needs to be limited by society's concerns for the rights and freedoms of its members.
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#17We have all the ingredients for Minority Report. Recording devices in people's homes (alexa, siri, google). AI inference that can be trained to predict violent crimes based on data from these always on devices. Nation wide person tracking system, just using faces instead of eyeballs. Yes yes, the always on devices are only on when you activate them with a keyword. So what. Once MicroGoogleZon proves that they can "pr…
Funny, I like the slightly different version of MicroGooFaZon - because it includes that other org. which has a "few bytes" of data on lots of people, plus it sounds even goofier. ;-) But, right on with your comments.
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#18One thing that not one has brought up yet is the amazing ability for the U.S. government to mishandle data in their possession. Office of Personnel Management can't even securely handle data for government workers and contractors. Are we to believe the F.B.I. is going to be any better with data about the American public? I'm sure they'll try harder this time to keep data safe from foreign governments.
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#19Real question- could face surveillance be one of the reasons multiple governments have banned niqabs or face veils?
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#20Real question- could face surveillance be one of the reasons multiple governments have banned niqabs or face veils?
It's certainly the excuse given. "You can't hide your face in public spaces with niqabs or balaclavas for security reasons". The worrying part is that people are OK with it