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Refusing to give business to a same-sex couple because you personally morally object to what they do? Utterly bigoted, bake the cake or go to prison. Private businesses can only make decisions on who they serve if I agree with them.
See the problem here?
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It surely takes some mental gymnastics to contort taking a position against supporting an agency that detains children into an abuse of power.
Would you rather the agency detained the parents but not the children? Splitting up families is worse than detaining children in my opinion. I'm sure you'd think that detaining anybody is bad, but then what is the point in having borders if you don't enforce them? A law that isn't enforced is not a good law. Or maybe you disagree with borders too? In which case supporting any US government since the creation of the n…
You don’t need to pick and choose because ICE is splitting up families AND detaining children!
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I think you're misrepresenting the argument of people who don't think developers should interfere with the usages of their product. The most compelling arguments I found is that just because we happen to work in a field that lets us exert our influence over society doesn't make our moral sensibilities any better than the rest of society. What us privileged few who work in technology see as using our position of influ…
It surely takes some mental gymnastics to contort taking a position against supporting an agency that detains children into an abuse of power.
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It surely takes some mental gymnastics to contort taking a position against supporting an agency that detains children into an abuse of power.
Would you rather the agency detained the parents but not the children? Splitting up families is worse than detaining children in my opinion. I'm sure you'd think that detaining anybody is bad, but then what is the point in having borders if you don't enforce them? A law that isn't enforced is not a good law. Or maybe you disagree with borders too? In which case supporting any US government since the creation of the n…
I question how much an employee should concern him/herself with how a product is used once it's created. You have to let certain control go after a point. Or if your product is open to everyone, you'll have to live with the fact that people may use it in ways you disagree with. Xerox or Canon (or whoever) probably makes copiers that ICE uses to make copies. Lenovo or Apple probably makes hardware that they use also t…
I am not a GH employee nor do I speak for them. But I think a fair point of view is that it would be GREAT if the employees of Xerox and Canon and Lenovo and Apple and Ford and the airlines and even the farmers all took the same stance as GH employees. If that actually happened, ICE would cease to be able to function incredibly quickly. Which would be good. This is basically the point of these protests.
And about one of every 10 agents in Homeland Security’s investigative section — which deals with all kinds of threats, including terrorism — is now assigned to child sexual exploitation cases.
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https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/09/28/us/child-sex-...
Refusing to give business to a government department because you personally morally object to what they do? Perfectly fine, Github is a private business, nothing to see here. Refusing to give business to a same-sex couple because you personally morally object to what they do? Utterly bigoted, bake the cake or go to prison. Private businesses can only make decisions on who they serve if I agree with them. See the prob…
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> ICE would cease to be able to function incredibly quickly. Which would be good. If you had said "ICE would be forced to reconsider its inhumane methods which have lead to its terrible reputation" - a lot more people would agree with you. There have been a number of polls done over the past year or two which show that only about 25% support abolishing ICE, the majority oppose. I think almost everyone would agree tha…
I think the core idea here is: this organization is doing bad things. By not supplying them with goods and services we can stop those bad things from happening. Whether that happens because the organization reforms or because the organization ceases to exists is a secondary concern.
Government programs NEVER just end, and certainly not do to simple supply disruptions. So they won't STOP doing bad things, they'll just continue to do bad things with even less resources, making the net effects even worse. Eventually you might end up with ICE detention centers that would make a FOB in Iraq look like a palace. All you need is triple-strand concertina wire, some 55-gal drums cut in half (for burning human waste), and a bunch of plywood.
Law of unintended consequences....
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This is a false dicothomy The actual (IMO correct) position most of these people share is the following two points at once: - businesses should have a moral position, since businesses are just a set of people - that moral position should be right! This isn’t rocket science! Stuff like “don’t support a business doing bad stuff” and “support businesses doing good stuff” is just really basic consumer activism. There’s n…
This is not a false dichotomy at all. Businesses should have a moral position, sure. That moral position should be right? According to who? The business itself? Then that second point is redundant. Everybody thinks their moral position is right, that's what morals are. It's a tautology otherwise. GitHub employees think their moral position on ICE is right. Many disagree. But according to them that's fine, because the…
Refusing to give business to a government department because you personally morally object to what they do? Perfectly fine, Github is a private business, nothing to see here. Refusing to give business to a same-sex couple because you personally morally object to what they do? Utterly bigoted, bake the cake or go to prison. Private businesses can only make decisions on who they serve if I agree with them. See the prob…
Yes. You will never let that go will you?