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GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract

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Re: GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract

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Post by chrisseaton »

csallen wrote: post #266
ken wrote: post #235

> The results of GitHub’s quarterly anonymous employee survey — which showed a decline in trust of leadership ... In 100% of cases where I've known a small company that got bought by a much bigger company, this has occurred. It's amazing anyone still believes that their small company can get bought and somehow they'll be able to preserve (what they think is) their "company culture".

Stripe acquired Indie Hackers two and a half years ago, and I love it. I get ample support and encouragement, while also retaining my freedom to run the community how I see fit. Most IHers would also tell you that the site has improved since then. One of the many keys is aligned incentives and values. If there's even a small 1-2 degree difference in the direction you and your acquirer would like to head in, that gap…

Stripe (2,000 employees) is not really comparable to Microsoft (144,106 employees) when the context is corporate issues.

Re: GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract

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Post by shadowgovt »

9HZZRfNlpR wrote: post #192
shadowgovt wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are concentration camps on the southern US border.

Every country has concentration camps then. Not a single country is so relaxed about illegal immigration. EU dumps asylum seekers on Greek Islands. Or what are these perfect countries that accept everyone unconditionally?

I, for one, am not calling for perfection. But conditions inferior to those we hold convicted felons in for people who have been convicted of no crime are unacceptable. I don't think every country in the world is doing nearly as poorly as the United States is right now, but even if they were, as a citizen of the United States, I care a lot more personally about the legacy my own country is leaving behind.

"We're doing as good as everybody else" just isn't good enough when you're one of the richest countries on the planet. You can afford to be held to a better standard.

Re: GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract

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Post by thrower123 »

duxup wrote: post #19

I'd like to get a feel about what volume of employees have an issue with these things. From issue to issue I hear about various forms of employees making themselves heard but it is REALLY hard to jive with what that means. We've seen Google employees post about some ideas that seemed to be genuinely popular (measure that how you will...) but later ideas or advocacy were reportedly far less supported by the general em…

It's obviously the small noisy minority. Most people don't have any expectation that their employer should have anything like a coherent moral vision; they just want to do their job, get their paycheck, and go home.

Even names on a petition don't mean much - the kind of people that like to solicit for signatures on petitions are often so insufferable that you sign to make them go away and leave you in peace.

Re: GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract

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Post by jcims »

malvosenior wrote: post #273
house9-2 wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> whether you consider something racist or not has no actual impact on the usage of the term Thats true > for using common terminology in a way you don’t like. When did it become common terminology? I am 47 years old and don't remember that term ever being used until the last presidential election as a means to vilify people of color. Maybe I just wasn't paying attention the other 44 years?

I'm about your age and that term has been used as long as I've been alive.

I'm same and same.

Re: GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract

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Post by andyroid »

ken wrote: post #235

> The results of GitHub’s quarterly anonymous employee survey — which showed a decline in trust of leadership ... In 100% of cases where I've known a small company that got bought by a much bigger company, this has occurred. It's amazing anyone still believes that their small company can get bought and somehow they'll be able to preserve (what they think is) their "company culture".

Huh? GitHub’s company culture has been described as toxic way before they were acquired - not at least here. The problem seems to be exactly that they’ve managed to preserve that. Kudos to the employees speaking up though!

Re: GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract

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Post by house9-2 »

Izkata wrote: post #257
house9-2 wrote: post #236

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> it's highly unlikely they're illegals I consider 'illegals' to be a derogatory term used by racists (whether they think they are racist is another matter) Did you drive a car today? Did you speed? If so that is an illegal activity so maybe you are also an 'illegal'? Maybe I am way off base? I should probably go hug a tree or something.

It's short for the legal term "illegal alien". An equivalent with your driving example would be "illegal speeding" (as opposed to, say, an ambulance, which can legally be given permission to speed). The big difference is that "illegal alien" really does refer to a person simply existing in a country they are not supposed to be in, rather than an action like speeding, hence why shortening it to just the adjective "ill…

> The big difference is that "illegal alien" really does refer to a person simply existing in a country they are not supposed to be in

Correct, I have no issue with the term: "illegal alien"

> shortening it to just the adjective "illegals" works

in a derogatory manner

Re: GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract

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Post by house9-2 »

malvosenior wrote: post #273
house9-2 wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> whether you consider something racist or not has no actual impact on the usage of the term Thats true > for using common terminology in a way you don’t like. When did it become common terminology? I am 47 years old and don't remember that term ever being used until the last presidential election as a means to vilify people of color. Maybe I just wasn't paying attention the other 44 years?

I'm about your age and that term has been used as long as I've been alive.

I guess I should have been paying better attention then

Re: GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract

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Post by jcims »

house9-2 wrote: post #287
Izkata wrote: post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's short for the legal term "illegal alien". An equivalent with your driving example would be "illegal speeding" (as opposed to, say, an ambulance, which can legally be given permission to speed). The big difference is that "illegal alien" really does refer to a person simply existing in a country they are not supposed to be in, rather than an action like speeding, hence why shortening it to just the adjective "ill…

> The big difference is that "illegal alien" really does refer to a person simply existing in a country they are not supposed to be in Correct, I have no issue with the term: "illegal alien" > shortening it to just the adjective "illegals" works in a derogatory manner

Is 'criminals' better? Also technically true.

Re: GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract

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Post by thrower123 »

o-__-o wrote: post #256
V-eHGsd_ wrote: post #208

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it's a dog-whistle

I can’t hear dog whistles tho..

When people claim innocuous statements are really dog whistles, I find that usually indicates more about the claimant's beliefs than the original speaker's.
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