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The FBI Is Tracking Our Faces in Secret, and We’re Suing

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Re: The FBI Is Tracking Our Faces in Secret, and We’re Suing

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Instead of assuming you could lock down your internet pipe. Use a RPi as a security appliance with strong whitelisted firewall policy. At least have some insight into what traffic is going to and from your LAN. Could also put in an entirely passive NIDS on a physical layer in-line with your network’s service entrance. Very difficult for anyone to defeat, when done right. Apologies for term misuse.

> Instead of assuming you could lock down your internet pipe. Use a RPi as a security appliance with strong whitelisted firewall policy. At least have some insight into what traffic is going to and from your LAN. Not only would a Raspberry Pi be severely under-powered for routing even a small home network, in no way does monitoring that "goes to and from your LAN" defend against an adversary Snowden warns about. > Co…

You used “either”, then “nor”, sorry I lost the point you were making. Wasn’t sure on your point about the adversary already owning the pipe.

Tailored exploitation is a good point though.

Admittedly RPi isn’t any current advice except for outdated hobbyist advice. If I cared to defend against nation state I’d avoid gen purpose CPU’s altogether and focus on in house manufactured minimal circuits, possibly fpga’s and printers or some other trusted peripherals. I’d build my own keyboards too.

The poster was concerned about video being hacked. This would be hard to hide, at least for being owned in real-time, if one were keeping track of the packets coming and going. If you’re whitelisting all your outbound and disallowing inbound, and if your decoupled passive nids is set up right you at least have the physical network layer covered.

If you’re targeted for tailored exploitation then you’d be considering a scif anyway if you really have something that important to hide. In a pinch, a faraday cage would probably be a good idea if you can set it up right. Don’t trust any devices that come in or out.

Re: The FBI Is Tracking Our Faces in Secret, and We’re Suing

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I do this. But more and more often, people are responding: "You're not the government." So it doesn't work as well as people think it does.

And my response would be, "My party voted in the government, so yeah, we voted for the right to look through your phone. Now hand it over or do you want to be a law breaking criminal too?"

And they'd still say, "You're not the government."

And they'd be right. If you were part of the government, you wouldn't need to ask to see the data on her Facebook or whatever. You'd probably already have some secret access.

I mean they're right. "You're not the government, and if you were you wouldn't need to ask."

Point is, they trust the government implicitly. (And, for most voters, completely, in matters of security.)

Re: The FBI Is Tracking Our Faces in Secret, and We’re Suing

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What a poorly designed site. Nothing but a spinning circle with Javascript disabled - Firefox reader mode doesn't work, either. Completely unacceptable from a privacy and usability perspective.

It's great if websites work without Javascript but, I don't think its fair to call them poorly designed if they dont.

The web is made from HTML, CSS and Javascript. Turn off one of them and of course things aren't going to work or look right.

Re: The FBI Is Tracking Our Faces in Secret, and We’re Suing

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post #7

I wish we would stop emphasizing the social justice/accuracy concerns so heavily when talking about this. Starting that way will cause a huge segment of the population to switch off as soon as you start talking. Imagine it works perfectly, and a three-letter agency with practically zero oversight, transparency, or accountability is collecting an accurate history of every single thing you do--everywhere you go, who yo…

Sadly, I know a lot of people who are ok with that. They're very much of the opinion, "Well, I'm doing nothing wrong, so I don't care. Especially if it helps catch bad guys". Not really sure how to fight that.

"I'm doing nothing wrong..." Tell them that they're thinking in terms of today's standards. Imagine someone coming to power in the future, when standards have undoubtedly changed, being able to go back in time and prosecute for crimes committed in the current day. This has already started with Tweets and stuff people made 10+ years ago when they were young and dumb. Viewpoints they probably no longer hold, as they've matured. They're getting fired now for things they said then, because there's now a permanent record of it. Soon, if not already, we will no longer allow people to grow and make mistakes along the way. You will be judged for everything you say and do, places you go, things you spend your money on (cc records), people you associate with, etc. But, you'll be judged by a standard that doesn't exist today, and you don't know what it will be 30 years from now, or who will be doing it.

To take it to the extreme. Ask your friends what they think Hitler (or pick some other mass murderer) would have done if he had such capabilities. How many more would have died, and would it have taken as long? They had to go door to door back then and physically search. Now they could just keyword search and not only find you, but everybody you've associated with, and who they associated with. If you wanted to find Jews, or homosexuals, or whatever you wanted...it's all right there. Just type the query in that little box, on that magical little device in your pocket.

That's too much power, for anyone, at any place or any time to have. To say it will never be abused, now or in the future, is believing humans are perfect as-is and things will remain consistently the same from here on out. There has never been a time in human history where things just stayed the same. Very, very short sighted.

Ask your friends if they've ever done or said anything at any point in time in their lives that would absolutely destroy their reputation, if the world could watch it happen right now.

There was a pretty damn good reason why the founders created the 4th amendment. Sadly, those are just words on paper now. We gave it all up for the excuse of 9/11. That was a long time ago now. Technology/storage have been progressing quite rapidly since then. And many consider the person who lifted the veil to be a traitor.

Smile, you're being recorded.

Re: The FBI Is Tracking Our Faces in Secret, and We’re Suing

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post #7

I wish we would stop emphasizing the social justice/accuracy concerns so heavily when talking about this. Starting that way will cause a huge segment of the population to switch off as soon as you start talking. Imagine it works perfectly, and a three-letter agency with practically zero oversight, transparency, or accountability is collecting an accurate history of every single thing you do--everywhere you go, who yo…

It's interesting to read back over past discussion of this question.

Among the more interesting academics is Herbert Simon, and his 1977 essay "What Computers Mean for Man and Society" makes a strong case for the positive impacts of increased utilisation of computer technology. It also specifically discusses the privacy concerns, in one paragraph.

That, unfortunately for Simon's case, contains an egregious factual error, though one which may not have been known to Simon at the time:

The Nazis operated with horrifying effectiveness and thoroughness without the benefits of any kind of mechanized data processing.

Screenshot:

https://mastodon.cloud/@dredmorbius/103059230160200494

Source:

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/a9e7/33e25ee8f67d5e670b3b7d...

Unfortunately, we're now very well aware that this was not the case. Not only did Nazi German prosecute the Holocaust with the extensive aid of mechanised data processing technologies, but they did so using American technology, provided and supported, with full knowledge, by IBM:

Edwin Black has documented this in his horrific book, IBM and the Holocaust (2012)

https://ibmandtheholocaust.com

https://www.worldcat.org/title/ibm-and-the-holocaust-the-str...

To paraphrase Lord Acton, it appears that data corrupts, and absolute data corrupts absolutely.

Re: The FBI Is Tracking Our Faces in Secret, and We’re Suing

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post #31

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I've spoken with people who have said they are ok with it. But, when I start asking questions or sharing details on how this has been abused I tend to find they have not thought it through and are often unaware. In some cases people think I'm crazy until I show them press coverage on it. I've learned that many don't have the depth of knowledge I have on the topic and have formed opinions with a puddles worth of infor…

Democracy was a mistake. These people shouldn't be allowed to vote.

The election system itself ensures that voters' opinions on most specific governance issues are entirely ignored.

Since citizens vote for only one out of a very restricted pool of candidates, every five years, the rational decision is to only consider the candidates' stance on topics directly affecting one's material well-being (so mostly finance/employment-related decisions).

Unless voters are very prosperous, secondary quality-of-life decisions like surveillance are systematically pushed aside in general elections, and that regardless of their education level.

Re: The FBI Is Tracking Our Faces in Secret, and We’re Suing

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Unfortunate reality is that, abuse and all, the larger society, ie - outside the privacy activist bubble, completely supports this sort of thing. The police will just tell the average soccer mom that we need to track everything so that we know who to watch in order to stop the next mass shooter. And that soccer mom will applaud the police and say, "Hurry up! Keep the crazies away from my kids' school!" That some pers…

It’s especially weird to me when taken together with the fact that one or the other of our last three presidents was literally the reincarnation of Hitler according to about 75% of all the people I know... but everyone simultaneously seems to think that the government is by nature the same as whichever party they do like.

And all of those people likely had 100% confidence that, were it necessary, the government would take power from whatever president those people considered to be Hitler. And what's worse, they would have applauded that president's removal.

Don't misunderstand, I see the dynamic you see. At one time, I even shared your confusion with its dichotomous nature. Then I figured out that people trust the government and military far more than they trust politicians.

Which was a concerning realization, and also, sadly, entirely understandable.

Re: The FBI Is Tracking Our Faces in Secret, and We’re Suing

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post #7

I wish we would stop emphasizing the social justice/accuracy concerns so heavily when talking about this. Starting that way will cause a huge segment of the population to switch off as soon as you start talking. Imagine it works perfectly, and a three-letter agency with practically zero oversight, transparency, or accountability is collecting an accurate history of every single thing you do--everywhere you go, who yo…

Yes. I don't believe our government is inherently evil and unjust. They have and will continue to have access to all this information legally anyway (if it exists, they can legally get it).

On the plus side, I see a lot of positives with this. I'm tired of graffiti everywhere. The other day I was walking home and some kid picked up a metal trash can on the corner of 37th and 8th, dumped it in the middle of the road and launched it at a storefront window and walked off. Outdoor restrooms, drugs use / dealing, random acts of violence, theft, vandalism... good bye. In Shenzhen, I'm told that if you jaywalk they will auto-deduct the ticket from your bank account by the time you cross the street. Think about the countless billions of dollars in lost productivity, environmental damage, waste whatever it is that you care about that blatant disrespect for other people's time and property costs us.

All of these bad actors can be weeded out. The possibilities actually excite me.

Re: The FBI Is Tracking Our Faces in Secret, and We’re Suing

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post #52

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I did some experiments the other day and found to my surprise that Google has by far the best no-Javascript experience of the major search engines. Duck Duck Go could learn a thing or two from them.

DuckDuckGo works perfectly without JavaScript; just use https://duckduckgo.com/html or https://duckduckgo.com/lite .

I strongly second the lite recommendation. Include "?kd=-1" to disable interstitial redirects on links.

Discussed here, with a link to full parameters:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21384425

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