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The FBI Is Tracking Our Faces in Secret, and We’re Suing

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Re: The FBI Is Tracking Our Faces in Secret, and We’re Suing

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Post by kop316 »

caconym_ wrote: post #7

I wish we would stop emphasizing the social justice/accuracy concerns so heavily when talking about this. Starting that way will cause a huge segment of the population to switch off as soon as you start talking. Imagine it works perfectly, and a three-letter agency with practically zero oversight, transparency, or accountability is collecting an accurate history of every single thing you do--everywhere you go, who yo…

....people already let that happen with Google, and don't care. And they do it in the open.

What is the fun kicker is because they do that, 4th amendment rights don't apply to that information on Google. So why would a three letter agency even bother with that when they can just subpoena Google?

Re: The FBI Is Tracking Our Faces in Secret, and We’re Suing

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Post by x220 »

mfer wrote: post #31
wlesieutre wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And on the off chance someone reading this is OK with the government doing that for law enforcement purposes, also consider that >At least a dozen U.S. National Security Agency employees have been caught using secret government surveillance tools to spy on the emails or phone calls of their current or former spouses and lovers in the past decade, according to the intelligence agency’s internal watchdog. before giving…

I've spoken with people who have said they are ok with it. But, when I start asking questions or sharing details on how this has been abused I tend to find they have not thought it through and are often unaware. In some cases people think I'm crazy until I show them press coverage on it. I've learned that many don't have the depth of knowledge I have on the topic and have formed opinions with a puddles worth of infor…

Democracy was a mistake. These people shouldn't be allowed to vote.

Re: The FBI Is Tracking Our Faces in Secret, and We’re Suing

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Post by [deleted] »

rapind wrote: post #15
mikece wrote: post #2

After listening to Joe Rogan's interview with Edward Snowden I bought and listened to his book "Permanent Record." At this point I have to assume that at least a dozen agencies in a handful of countries are watching me through my webcam as I type this message right now. Snowden suggested (or at least I inferred) that he didn't reveal all there is to know about the scope of government surveillance and it's only logica…

They aren't watching you. They're recording you. They're running algorithms to classify and index you. They're building massive data centers to house all of this semi organized and raw data. And when they leak it all they won't be held accountable because terrorists, children, and stuff. It's not a conspiracy theory. It's real and it's a black hat's wet dream. Oh yeah, they can use it for political purposes too I sup…

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Re: The FBI Is Tracking Our Faces in Secret, and We’re Suing

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Post by howenterprisey »

throw1234651234 wrote: post #11
pmoriarty wrote: post #9

Ironically, it's impossible to read this ACLU page without enabling Javascript, which opens one up to more browser fingerprinting attacks, potential Javascript vulenrabilities, and tracking.

I am hard-pressed to think of a popular page which doesn't use JavaScript.

Wikipedia.

Re: The FBI Is Tracking Our Faces in Secret, and We’re Suing

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Post by sp332 »

Falling3 wrote: post #35
sp332 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://m.facebook.com/

Absolutely no functionality with javascript turned off.

It's all working fine for me - messages, feed, photos. I can't see that it contains, loads, or calls any JS on the page at all.

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Post by dealpete »

kick wrote: post #13
throw1234651234 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am hard-pressed to think of a popular page which doesn't use JavaScript.

"doesn't use JavaScript" and "can't work without JavaScript" are two separate issues. Google, the most popular page on the internet, doesn't force you to use Javascript.

I did some experiments the other day and found to my surprise that Google has by far the best no-Javascript experience of the major search engines. Duck Duck Go could learn a thing or two from them.

Re: The FBI Is Tracking Our Faces in Secret, and We’re Suing

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Post by oil25 »

hackerrenews wrote: post #6
mikece wrote: post #2

After listening to Joe Rogan's interview with Edward Snowden I bought and listened to his book "Permanent Record." At this point I have to assume that at least a dozen agencies in a handful of countries are watching me through my webcam as I type this message right now. Snowden suggested (or at least I inferred) that he didn't reveal all there is to know about the scope of government surveillance and it's only logica…

Instead of assuming you could lock down your internet pipe. Use a RPi as a security appliance with strong whitelisted firewall policy. At least have some insight into what traffic is going to and from your LAN. Could also put in an entirely passive NIDS on a physical layer in-line with your network’s service entrance. Very difficult for anyone to defeat, when done right. Apologies for term misuse.

> Instead of assuming you could lock down your internet pipe. Use a RPi as a security appliance with strong whitelisted firewall policy. At least have some insight into what traffic is going to and from your LAN.

Not only would a Raspberry Pi be severely under-powered for routing even a small home network, in no way does monitoring that "goes to and from your LAN" defend against an adversary Snowden warns about.

> Could also put in an entirely passive NIDS on a physical layer in-line with your network’s service entrance. Very difficult for anyone to defeat, when done right.

Again, I'm not sure what threat model you think this defends against, but certainly not a three letter agency intent on either tailored exploitation nor passive monitoring of your inbound and outbound network traffic by the same actor.

Re: The FBI Is Tracking Our Faces in Secret, and We’re Suing

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Post by Kalium »

the_af wrote: post #30
caconym_ wrote: post #7

I wish we would stop emphasizing the social justice/accuracy concerns so heavily when talking about this. Starting that way will cause a huge segment of the population to switch off as soon as you start talking. Imagine it works perfectly, and a three-letter agency with practically zero oversight, transparency, or accountability is collecting an accurate history of every single thing you do--everywhere you go, who yo…

> I wish we would stop emphasizing the social justice/accuracy concerns so heavily when talking about this Do you mean like the historical racism and anti-black bias of the FBI, as mentioned in the article? I want it emphasized. Like someone else said, a lot of people are fine with some authority they perceive as benevolent (or as fighting evildoers) to control every detail of their lives. They would answer your ques…

I believe the point being made is that those points are effective at reaching people who need little to no convincing and who are already politically supportive. The same points about historical wrongs done to other people unlike them are more likely to alienate the readers who are not currently politically supportive.

To put it another way, preaching to the choir doesn't win you more votes.

Re: The FBI Is Tracking Our Faces in Secret, and We’re Suing

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Post by cabaalis »

x220 wrote: post #42
mfer wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've spoken with people who have said they are ok with it. But, when I start asking questions or sharing details on how this has been abused I tend to find they have not thought it through and are often unaware. In some cases people think I'm crazy until I show them press coverage on it. I've learned that many don't have the depth of knowledge I have on the topic and have formed opinions with a puddles worth of infor…

Democracy was a mistake. These people shouldn't be allowed to vote.

That was a pretty common sentiment and even law for quite some time. A bunch of people died and/or devoted their lives to changing that.

Re: The FBI Is Tracking Our Faces in Secret, and We’re Suing

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Post by threatofrain »

Kalium wrote: post #48
the_af wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I wish we would stop emphasizing the social justice/accuracy concerns so heavily when talking about this Do you mean like the historical racism and anti-black bias of the FBI, as mentioned in the article? I want it emphasized. Like someone else said, a lot of people are fine with some authority they perceive as benevolent (or as fighting evildoers) to control every detail of their lives. They would answer your ques…

I believe the point being made is that those points are effective at reaching people who need little to no convincing and who are already politically supportive. The same points about historical wrongs done to other people unlike them are more likely to alienate the readers who are not currently politically supportive. To put it another way, preaching to the choir doesn't win you more votes.

But if preaching to the non-choir loses you votes, doesn't that just mean we should stop preaching 'it' altogether?
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