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Spain will prevent “digital republic” in Catalonia

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Re: Spain will prevent “digital republic” in Catalonia

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Well I didn't know that we were going to link straight up propaganda here in HN. I wonder how much time until we bring Sputnik and RT. For those who didn't know this site: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_News_Agency It has very close ties with Carles Puigdemont, which has been his director once.

If you think something in the article is factually wrong, it would be kind to let us know. News should be judged by their content, and not by the messenger.

Re: Spain will prevent “digital republic” in Catalonia

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Slightly off topic, but is there a good, short summary of why Catalonia wants to separate from Spain? I would think this would enhance the standing of the EU as it weakens the power of one of its larger members. Heck, wouldn’t it be in the interest of nefarious EU types to have countries like Spain, Italy, Germany, and France and their regions/states/departments become member States or autonomous regions within the E…

There are many alleged reasons why some people from Catalonia want to secede from Spain. They all probably boil down to the perspective that they are a "rich" region and they will do better on their own. Similar to Brexit. Probably, same wrong perspective. Irrespective of this, Spanish Constitution has a very strong enforcement of Spain's sovereignty and unity. It belongs to all Spanish people. So if that is to be al…

They could have gone the legal route, and push to amend the constitution first.

Not doing so shows the manipulative/dishonest nature of the leaders.

Re: Spain will prevent “digital republic” in Catalonia

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Slightly off topic, but is there a good, short summary of why Catalonia wants to separate from Spain? I would think this would enhance the standing of the EU as it weakens the power of one of its larger members. Heck, wouldn’t it be in the interest of nefarious EU types to have countries like Spain, Italy, Germany, and France and their regions/states/departments become member States or autonomous regions within the E…

Just Spain not EU. It's the typical second biggest city not having internal relevance compared to the capital even though it's as good, together with the common claim of everything happens in the capital, decisions are there, most money stays there, etc. Also, it's slightly different culture, language, etc. And around WW2 time, there was an actual civil war. Discontent keeps happening, catalonian patriots gets in pow…

Sounds a lot like some of the protests in Southern India regarding economic input vs tax money spent and language difference.

And a sibling comment mentioned bull fighting and funnily exact thing has been an issue between a southern Indian state, the central govt and the judiciary.

Re: Spain will prevent “digital republic” in Catalonia

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Slightly off topic, but is there a good, short summary of why Catalonia wants to separate from Spain? I would think this would enhance the standing of the EU as it weakens the power of one of its larger members. Heck, wouldn’t it be in the interest of nefarious EU types to have countries like Spain, Italy, Germany, and France and their regions/states/departments become member States or autonomous regions within the E…

At least some Catalan separatists feel Spain is denying them their own culture and forcing Spanish culture on them. Bull fighting, for example, is something Catalonia banned at some point, after which Madrid wanted to overturn the ban because they considered bull fighting Spanish cultural heritage.

Bull fighting was prohibited because it was originated in Spain (not the official reason though, just speculation). "Correbous" a very cruel sport as well, which it was originated in Catalunya, it's, in contrast, very much supported. So I'm not really sure it's two very different cultures.

Re: Spain will prevent “digital republic” in Catalonia

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Spain will enforce the law Spain will create that law

Which strikes me as odd, because I recall there is a European law that says that personal data of European citizens must remain within the EU.

Check with a lawyer for details, but the best way to describe it is the EU can do little about data once it is outside of the EU: their laws don't apply elsewhere. They have ways around this.

If you have a EU presence (ie an office) that presence gets into trouble if data is sent outside the EU without a lot of care - this includes care to ensure the foreign government of where you send the data won't get it (which makes most companies not transmit data outside the EU if at all possible).

None of the above applies to this case though because presumably it is the person in question sending his own data outside the EU. There isn't much they can do about that.

Re: Spain will prevent “digital republic” in Catalonia

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Tsunami Democratic is being investigated by Spanish authorities for promoting public disorders and criminal activities. So Spain is making what is need to to prevent criminal activities and (further) public disorders in Catalonia.

I don't know how some Catalonian citizens are letting themselves be influenced by some corrupt politicians trying to enrich theirselves and avoid prison.

Check out democracy index in Spain (ranked 19th): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index that is a better score than France, USA, Japan...

For people outside Spain, don't let yourself be fooled by the name of this group. There is nothing democratic in "tsunami democratic".

Re: Spain will prevent “digital republic” in Catalonia

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Slightly off topic, but is there a good, short summary of why Catalonia wants to separate from Spain? I would think this would enhance the standing of the EU as it weakens the power of one of its larger members. Heck, wouldn’t it be in the interest of nefarious EU types to have countries like Spain, Italy, Germany, and France and their regions/states/departments become member States or autonomous regions within the E…

>Or is Catalonia trying to break from both Spain and the EU? I believe the plan is to enter the EU after breaking from Spain.

Which it's very much impossible without agreement.

Re: Spain will prevent “digital republic” in Catalonia

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Slightly off topic, but is there a good, short summary of why Catalonia wants to separate from Spain? I would think this would enhance the standing of the EU as it weakens the power of one of its larger members. Heck, wouldn’t it be in the interest of nefarious EU types to have countries like Spain, Italy, Germany, and France and their regions/states/departments become member States or autonomous regions within the E…

Why doesn't Spain just give them more autonomy? Or is Spain actually the "bad guys" here ?

There is little more autonomy to be given and still be part of Spain (although it's a matter of perspective)

There is some info on the wikipedia page for Spain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spain#Administrative_divisions

Re: Spain will prevent “digital republic” in Catalonia

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Well I didn't know that we were going to link straight up propaganda here in HN. I wonder how much time until we bring Sputnik and RT. For those who didn't know this site: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_News_Agency It has very close ties with Carles Puigdemont, which has been his director once.

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Re: Spain will prevent “digital republic” in Catalonia

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The aggressive attitude towards Catalan separatism by the Spanish government seems that it will make independence inevitable...

To be honest, I think we already are in a point of no-return. Not necessarily to the independence though, but who knows...
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