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Spain will prevent “digital republic” in Catalonia

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Re: Spain will prevent “digital republic” in Catalonia

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Slightly off topic, but is there a good, short summary of why Catalonia wants to separate from Spain? I would think this would enhance the standing of the EU as it weakens the power of one of its larger members. Heck, wouldn’t it be in the interest of nefarious EU types to have countries like Spain, Italy, Germany, and France and their regions/states/departments become member States or autonomous regions within the E…

> Or is Catalonia trying to break from both Spain and the EU?

Short answer: no, just from Spain.

Long answer: while the biggest part of the movement is pro-Europe there are voices from the left-most & anti-capitalist part which are against EU because they see as an union that put money first instead of people. But as said, they are a minority among the independentists.

Re: Spain will prevent “digital republic” in Catalonia

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Slightly off topic, but is there a good, short summary of why Catalonia wants to separate from Spain? I would think this would enhance the standing of the EU as it weakens the power of one of its larger members. Heck, wouldn’t it be in the interest of nefarious EU types to have countries like Spain, Italy, Germany, and France and their regions/states/departments become member States or autonomous regions within the E…

At least some Catalan separatists feel Spain is denying them their own culture and forcing Spanish culture on them. Bull fighting, for example, is something Catalonia banned at some point, after which Madrid wanted to overturn the ban because they considered bull fighting Spanish cultural heritage.

Re: Spain will prevent “digital republic” in Catalonia

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Well I didn't know that we were going to link straight up propaganda here in HN. I wonder how much time until we bring Sputnik and RT.

For those who didn't know this site: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_News_Agency

It has very close ties with Carles Puigdemont, which has been his director once.

Re: Spain will prevent “digital republic” in Catalonia

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Spain will enforce the law Spain will create that law

Which strikes me as odd, because I recall there is a European law that says that personal data of European citizens must remain within the EU.

No - the GDPR regulates transfers of EU citizen data outside of the EU, but it by no means prohibits it. To summarise - the organisation involved follows the rules by transferring data only to other countries that have equivalently strong laws, or for other countries, by using Binding Corporate Rules or approved standard contractual conditions to establish internal corporate policy that meets EU standards.

https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/guide-to-data-protectio...

Re: Spain will prevent “digital republic” in Catalonia

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Slightly off topic, but is there a good, short summary of why Catalonia wants to separate from Spain? I would think this would enhance the standing of the EU as it weakens the power of one of its larger members. Heck, wouldn’t it be in the interest of nefarious EU types to have countries like Spain, Italy, Germany, and France and their regions/states/departments become member States or autonomous regions within the E…

Just Spain not EU.

It's the typical second biggest city not having internal relevance compared to the capital even though it's as good, together with the common claim of everything happens in the capital, decisions are there, most money stays there, etc.

Also, it's slightly different culture, language, etc. And around WW2 time, there was an actual civil war.

Discontent keeps happening, catalonian patriots gets in power, central government remembers that constitution prohibits secession, they do a referendum anyway, (90% win for getting out), get arrested/exiled, with draws bigger attention to the cause, Streisand effect and all that.

Spain issn't really an united nation, you have actual separatist terrorists in Basque (which have a peace treaty recently), the new separatists of Catalonia, Andaluzia has seen the rise of dissidents as well. Add to the fact that some regions actually have their own language.

I remember one time while crossing the border by car, seeing a tourist information sign vandalized because in was written in Castillan (language of the capital, main "spanish" language). Beneath all the vandalous paint, was a sentence: "speak the ". And this was not in one of those more dissindent regions. Later I got into the city, and every sign was in multiple languages

Re: Spain will prevent “digital republic” in Catalonia

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Slightly off topic, but is there a good, short summary of why Catalonia wants to separate from Spain? I would think this would enhance the standing of the EU as it weakens the power of one of its larger members. Heck, wouldn’t it be in the interest of nefarious EU types to have countries like Spain, Italy, Germany, and France and their regions/states/departments become member States or autonomous regions within the E…

Why doesn't Spain just give them more autonomy? Or is Spain actually the "bad guys" here ?

Re: Spain will prevent “digital republic” in Catalonia

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Slightly off topic, but is there a good, short summary of why Catalonia wants to separate from Spain? I would think this would enhance the standing of the EU as it weakens the power of one of its larger members. Heck, wouldn’t it be in the interest of nefarious EU types to have countries like Spain, Italy, Germany, and France and their regions/states/departments become member States or autonomous regions within the E…

There are many alleged reasons why some people from Catalonia want to secede from Spain. They all probably boil down to the perspective that they are a "rich" region and they will do better on their own. Similar to Brexit. Probably, same wrong perspective.

Irrespective of this, Spanish Constitution has a very strong enforcement of Spain's sovereignty and unity. It belongs to all Spanish people. So if that is to be altered --i.e., any region wants to secede-- is a decision that must involve every Spanish citizen. So in order to proceed, either everybody needs to participate in such a decision, or the Constitution needs to be amended. The separatists do not want to proceed either way, so they are trying to do it "unilaterally". That's against the Constitution, and the State needs to protect itself from that.

Anyway, if Catalonia would eventually and legally secede from Spain, it will be automatically out of the EU. And in order to gain access to the EU, it would need to apply and be approved unanimously by every EU country. In other words, Spain may veto that.

My opinion: it's shooting yourself on the feet. I believe they never intended to secede, they were just pushing this road hard to negotiate better financing and money for Catalonia. They have been doing this for many decades. But this time they took it too far, lost control of it, and now they don't know how to back track it.

Re: Spain will prevent “digital republic” in Catalonia

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So, will Streisand Effect manifest? I think it already is.

I presume the secessionists are actually a minority. The effect is already in full force

90% win on a referendum that less than half population attended has it was deemed has an unlawful referendum.

But it was still over 90% result.

Re: Spain will prevent “digital republic” in Catalonia

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Slightly off topic, but is there a good, short summary of why Catalonia wants to separate from Spain? I would think this would enhance the standing of the EU as it weakens the power of one of its larger members. Heck, wouldn’t it be in the interest of nefarious EU types to have countries like Spain, Italy, Germany, and France and their regions/states/departments become member States or autonomous regions within the E…

Why doesn't Spain just give them more autonomy? Or is Spain actually the "bad guys" here ?

Spain is one of the most decentralised countries in the world. Catalan government (not all catalans by the way, around 50%), at this point, only want independence.

Re: Spain will prevent “digital republic” in Catalonia

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post #4

Slightly off topic, but is there a good, short summary of why Catalonia wants to separate from Spain? I would think this would enhance the standing of the EU as it weakens the power of one of its larger members. Heck, wouldn’t it be in the interest of nefarious EU types to have countries like Spain, Italy, Germany, and France and their regions/states/departments become member States or autonomous regions within the E…

Just Spain not EU. It's the typical second biggest city not having internal relevance compared to the capital even though it's as good, together with the common claim of everything happens in the capital, decisions are there, most money stays there, etc. Also, it's slightly different culture, language, etc. And around WW2 time, there was an actual civil war. Discontent keeps happening, catalonian patriots gets in pow…

Ok the catalans may be arrogant, but did something significantly change in recent years? Usually these bravado-led movements are a result of stagnant economy like in Italy.
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