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> developed an app that allows people to know where demonstrations are happening Sounds like a bit of welcomed transparency to me. The Spanish police, concerned citizenry, etc. can use the app just as much as anyone else, to prevent things from getting out of hand. (*Edited for consistency with newly-provided info in this HN thread.)

Not sure what people opinions are when the judicial system has > the movement Tsunami Democratic has been confirmed as a criminal organization driving people to commit terrorist attacks So any material support to a criminal organization is criminal per se in most jurisdictions.

the quoted sentence is false. The tsunami democratic has not been confirmed as a criminal organization.

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post #130

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I love how normal crushing dissent is to you. This is the new normal :/

New normal compared to when? Since when have republics tolerated competition?

When presented with a competing peoples, they generally look to destroy their food supplies first. https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2016/05/the-buf...

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> Spanish paramilitary, Guardia Civil is really a police force like the french Gendarmerie, seen it described as paramilitary is a bit odd, tbh.

Is this the same force active when people attempted to vote at polling stations?

Yes, see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Catalan_independence_re...

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> People will say it's justified because the Catalan separatists are fascists, terrorists, pedophiles, or whatever. It's not justified. The rulers of al-Andalus were no angels either, but their abuses were nothing compared to the genocidal nightmares the Inquisition concealed with its censorship. Genocidal nightmares? I get that you are attempting to be poetic but do inform yourself about the historicity of your clai…

I'm confident that no one with an agenda to spin had any part whatsoever in contributing to the two links you give.

Fair.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition

> he Spanish Inquisition is often cited in popular literature and history as an example of religious intolerance and repression. Some historians have come to conclude that many of the charges levied against the Inquisition are exaggerated, and are a result of the Black Legend produced by political and religious enemies of Spain, especially England.

Please, feel free to point me to any unbiased source.

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post #116

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Do all android phones let you install an app by opening a file or clicking a link? I would think carriers restrict phones’ capabilities in this regard.

I've never encountered an Android device that didn't allow me to install an APK. Is that an actual thing?

I’m not sure. But as I understand it, in the US carriers don’t just allow any phone to connect to their network, but rather only ones they have whitelisted (I might be wrong). That’s why I assumed they would also restrict loading apps on the side somehow.

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post #72

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> Spanish paramilitary, Guardia Civil is really a police force like the french Gendarmerie, seen it described as paramilitary is a bit odd, tbh.

Is this the same force active when people attempted to vote at polling stations?

All forces were active during that time. National Police, Guardia Civil and Mossos D'Esquadra (Catalan police). Probably Guardia Urbana (Local Police) too, but I'm not sure.

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#148

It was a warrant issued by a Spanish court that Github legally had to comply with. You can be angry at the court for issuing such a warrant but you can't be angry at Github for complying. They are not above the law, even if they may disagree with it.

You can certainly be angry at Github for complying. People break the law all the time in order to do what is moral. Look at Chelsea Manning who's in jail right now for just that.

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Governments† burn libraries. Don't create central points of vulnerability to coercion. That multiplies the effectiveness of coercive force. Create decentralized systems. Git, not GitHub. Bitcoin, not Citibank. Email, not Gmail — although we still need to free email from DNS. Never forget how the Spanish Inquisition — the origin, in the West, of these sorts of degraded "laws" against "criminal content" — treated the J…

Aaaand the black legend strikes again.

Re: Spanish government orders GitHub to take down Tsunami Democràtic repository

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post #138

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> People will say it's justified because the Catalan separatists are fascists, terrorists, pedophiles, or whatever. It's not justified. The rulers of al-Andalus were no angels either, but their abuses were nothing compared to the genocidal nightmares the Inquisition concealed with its censorship. Genocidal nightmares? I get that you are attempting to be poetic but do inform yourself about the historicity of your clai…

While I appreciate your compliment about my prose, it is no less factual for being "poetic". The Inquisition was established as a genocidal institution against the Jewish and Muslim populace of Iberia, many of whom fled, and was later extended to serve the mission of obliterating the native religions and cultures of the New World; the price of this dominion, for Spain and later Italy, was the intellectual degradation…

Yo do write very well! Is not an empty compliment.

About your comments, I can point to some excerpts in the Inquisition wikipedia article:

> The Inquisition was established as a genocidal institution against the Jewish and Muslim populace of Iberia,

"The Inquisition was originally intended primarily to identify heretics among those who converted from Judaism and Islam to Catholicism"

There was no genocidal intention, its a nuance but important. It wasn't established to "find every Muslim and put it on a stake".

> For every Giordano Bruno burned at the stake, a thousand monks prudently refrained from exploring controversial issues, and a hundred thousand loyal Catholics remained fettered in an intellectual darkness so profound they could not even see their chains.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition#Censorship

"The censorship of books was actually very ineffective, and prohibited books circulated in Spain without significant problems. The Spanish Inquisition never persecuted scientists, and relatively few scientific books were placed on the Index. On the other hand, Spain was a state with more political freedom than in other absolute monarchies in the 16th to 18th centuries."

"Despite the repeated publication of the Indexes and a large bureaucracy of censors, the activities of the Inquisition did not impede the development of Spanish literature's "Siglo de Oro", although almost all of its major authors crossed paths with the Holy Office at one point or another."

> The cost of the Inquisition is not to be measured only in the smoking corpses of Jewish and Muslim people, or even those falsely accused of practicing Judaism, but in the lost memory of entire civilizations, and in the books that were never written.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition#Death_toll...

"evertheless, some authors consider that the toll may have been higher, keeping in mind the data provided by Dedieu and García Cárcel for the tribunals of Toledo and Valencia, respectively, and estimate between 3,000 and 5,000 were executed" [...] "In either case, this is significantly lower than the number of people executed exclusively for witchcraft in other parts of Europe during about the same time span as the Spanish Inquisition (estimated at c. 40,000–60,000)."

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