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Re: Notepad++ issues attacked by Chinese commenters

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Post by cltsang »

creshal wrote: post #56
cltsang wrote: post #55

Will probably be downvoted to oblivion: This incident is a perfect example showing why embracing China and hoping they would be more open to modern values like freedom of speech, democracy, etc., is a total illusion. Too many Chinese people are brainwashed to the core that even if the great firewall is switched off today, nothing will change. The currently brainwashed people simply despise anything against Chinese of…

> And if we don't force China to change, China will erode the rest of the world's modern values There's another option: Treat them like North Korea. No trade in, no trade out, let them be whatever they want as long as it doesn't hurt anyone outside China. It's the least profitable option, of course, but much easier to pull off than overthrowing a government armed with nuclear weapons, and un-brainwashing over a billi…

Agree. But the tricky part is that it requires us to overcome our greed.

And we also have to abandon 1.3 billion people in the process. For example, people in North Korea are starving[0]. It's just we don't pay much attention to it. Is this evil necessary?

[0] https://news.un.org/en/story/2019/05/1037831

Re: Notepad++ issues attacked by Chinese commenters

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Post by edjroot »

infinity0 wrote: post #65
have_faith wrote: post #63

How did this post move from page 1 to page 4 so quickly? in the space of pressing the back button.

hacker news has automated algorithms to deprioritise posts it autodetects as "controversial" or "troll bait"

Wow, I didn't know the effect of the deprioritization was so strong. Now I wonder if there's some unofficial HN client that sorts by "controversial" (just like Reddit).

Re: Notepad++ issues attacked by Chinese commenters

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Post by betty60088 »

Haha..You need to go there and see for yourself if Uyghur or Tibetan people are oppressed by the communist party instead of seeking news from western media, which we all know are very much biased and anti China...no one likes to be represented by a stranger from a foreign country who has no first hand knowledge about the issue..

Re: Notepad++ issues attacked by Chinese commenters

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Post by DarkmSparks »

Bootvis wrote: post #15
ArchieLeach wrote: post #8

It's astounding how well insidious daily propaganda works. I'm sure these guys mean well but they've been manipulated as much as the 'other side' has been. Edit: What news are reported and how they are reported in not random [1]. There has very clearly been a campaign against China and this shows that it is working. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_model

Could you tell what "insidious daily propaganda" you have obeserved and how about sides are equally manipulated?

This commentary by Jimmy Dore is a fairly good commentary on what it looks like. https://youtu.be/aT7WEkvCWeM

Re: Notepad++ issues attacked by Chinese commenters

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Post by creshal »

cltsang wrote: post #71
creshal wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And if we don't force China to change, China will erode the rest of the world's modern values There's another option: Treat them like North Korea. No trade in, no trade out, let them be whatever they want as long as it doesn't hurt anyone outside China. It's the least profitable option, of course, but much easier to pull off than overthrowing a government armed with nuclear weapons, and un-brainwashing over a billi…

Agree. But the tricky part is that it requires us to overcome our greed. And we also have to abandon 1.3 billion people in the process. For example, people in North Korea are starving[0]. It's just we don't pay much attention to it. Is this evil necessary? [0] https://news.un.org/en/story/2019/05/1037831

> And we also have to abandon 1.3 billion people in the process. For example, people in North Korea are starving[0]. It's just we don't pay much attention to it. Is this evil necessary?

Can we save them all? We've given North Korea free grain shipments before to help their population, the government just resold it for cash. And we can't topple a government that's willing to use nuclear weapons just to stay in power.

At some point you just have to wait for a better chance. The Soviet bloc was just as unjust and abusive, but before Gorbachev, there was simply no chance of getting rid of it without a hundred million dead in the process. We can only hope that North Korea (or China, hypothetically) appoint benign reformers at some point.

Re: Notepad++ issues attacked by Chinese commenters

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Post by pavelludiq »

ahbyb wrote: post #14
thinkingemote wrote: post #7

I am finding it fascinating looking at the abusive accounts and their repositories and history of issues and pull requests over various other repositories. I wonder if some kind of pattern could be apparent? (Currently the few accounts I have visited are front end JS developers) Could some of them be active in your own communities?

So they should be ostracised for not thinking like the West wants them to think? My issue with this is that some people think that all online supporters of the Chinese government are paid shills or just bots. It might surprise you to know that there are normal Chinese people, just like you and I, that simply like things are going in China. I see no reason to disrespect or ostracise them for their politics.

China is a genocidal state, and the supposedly hundreds of millions of supporters of that state policy in China are also genocidal by definition. I see no reason not to disrespect them. This is not "a difference of opinion" it's an ethnic cleansing, not something you brush off to polite disagreement. Yes, absolutely ostracize them, that's what you do to people who support genocide. 100% of the time any civilized person should resist them in any way they can.

Re: Notepad++ issues attacked by Chinese commenters

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Post by aembleton »

Florin_Andrei wrote: post #47
thinkingemote wrote: post #7

I am finding it fascinating looking at the abusive accounts and their repositories and history of issues and pull requests over various other repositories. I wonder if some kind of pattern could be apparent? (Currently the few accounts I have visited are front end JS developers) Could some of them be active in your own communities?

> I wonder if some kind of pattern could be apparent? All the salient patterns have already been described in a book published by George Orwell in the late '40s.

1984? A constant state of war to consume the output of production.

What has that got to do with this?

Re: Notepad++ issues attacked by Chinese commenters

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Post by aembleton »

dgellow wrote: post #66

Triggered by the blog post announcing the relase of "Notepad++ v7.8.1 : Free Uyghur". https://notepad-plus-plus.org/news/v781-free-uyghur-edition/ Excerpt from the blog post: > At least 120,000 members of Kashgar’s Muslim Uyghur minority have been detained in Xinjiang’s re-education camps which aim to change the political thinking of detainees, their identities, and their religious beliefs. Reports from the World Uyg…

Cache because the notepad++ website is currently unavailable: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:dMqHQf...

Re: Notepad++ issues attacked by Chinese commenters

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Post by bArray »

aembleton wrote: post #77

Now the Notepad++ website seems to be down. https://www.isitdownrightnow.com/notepad-plus-plus.org.html

Confirmed from NZ.

Now the question is, state or privately backed DDoS?

The third option is that they took it down themselves due to a different kind of abuse, i.e. a report form or something.

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