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Re: Notepad++ issues attacked by Chinese commenters

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean posting an issue titled "fuck you" is "not thinking like us"?

This might be the equivalent of a street protest. Why is throwing rocks at cops good but writing "fuck you" in an Internet forum not good?

The actual issue matters. In this case the mistreated Uighur.

Re: Notepad++ issues attacked by Chinese commenters

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I am finding it fascinating looking at the abusive accounts and their repositories and history of issues and pull requests over various other repositories. I wonder if some kind of pattern could be apparent? (Currently the few accounts I have visited are front end JS developers) Could some of them be active in your own communities?

So they should be ostracised for not thinking like the West wants them to think? My issue with this is that some people think that all online supporters of the Chinese government are paid shills or just bots. It might surprise you to know that there are normal Chinese people, just like you and I, that simply like things are going in China. I see no reason to disrespect or ostracise them for their politics.

Oh I actually think they are normal people. And that's why it's interesting and important.

A simple reason why is imagine not having to have a paid online army or coordinate a sophisticated bot attack when your population will do it voluntarily and with enthusiasm.

The more complex reason is more interesting and it really is about the freedom to think and speak but it's also where criticism of China as a state is considered to be an attack on the people and where even telling the truth must be sacrificed for stability. China has the myth that it is stable because it has lost so much blood in the past therefore the stability is more important than human rights or the truth. It's actually why Muslims and Hong Kong are attacked, literally because their existence shows that China is not whole or stable. It's frightening and most Chinese people will rather not rock the boat.

This "attack" on GitHub is actually a defense.

Re: Notepad++ issues attacked by Chinese commenters

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There is. It's on the user profile page. It really should be on each comment and issue the user has created.

Ah, thank you. Reporting specific comments would make a lot more sense, but I guess github isn't expecting people to use issue trackers as conversation battlegrounds.

You can report issues, pull requests, etc., but only if you have write permissions to the repository.

https://help.github.com/en/github/building-a-strong-communit...

Re: Notepad++ issues attacked by Chinese commenters

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Will probably be downvoted to oblivion:

This incident is a perfect example showing why embracing China and hoping they would be more open to modern values like freedom of speech, democracy, etc., is a total illusion.

Too many Chinese people are brainwashed to the core that even if the great firewall is switched off today, nothing will change. The currently brainwashed people simply despise anything against Chinese official rhetoric; they don't put any thoughts to follow other people's reasons. And this brainwashing will pass on from one generation to the next.

I've met too many mainland Chinese use only Baidu to search, use only WeChat to do messaging, read only Weibo and watch only CCTV to update themselves on current affairs, even when they are physically outside of China. Sure there are still some reasonable Chinese, but 9.9 times out of 10 they are very reluctant to speak up, since they still have some stakes in China. If they do speak up, their family back in China will get locked up, harrased, wealth get taken, you name it. It happens all the time.

That's why powerful external force is necessary for China to change. And if we don't force China to change, China will erode the rest of the world's modern values, which is the foundation of our civilization. China's export of oppression, like recent news about NBA and Apple, has been actually on-going for a very long time. In Hong Kong here, we see it all the time all around us.

Re: Notepad++ issues attacked by Chinese commenters

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Will probably be downvoted to oblivion: This incident is a perfect example showing why embracing China and hoping they would be more open to modern values like freedom of speech, democracy, etc., is a total illusion. Too many Chinese people are brainwashed to the core that even if the great firewall is switched off today, nothing will change. The currently brainwashed people simply despise anything against Chinese of…

> And if we don't force China to change, China will erode the rest of the world's modern values

There's another option: Treat them like North Korea. No trade in, no trade out, let them be whatever they want as long as it doesn't hurt anyone outside China.

It's the least profitable option, of course, but much easier to pull off than overthrowing a government armed with nuclear weapons, and un-brainwashing over a billion people.

Re: Notepad++ issues attacked by Chinese commenters

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I take this opportunity to remind us that Notepad++ used to have a backdoor.

Please don't post such claims without a source to back them up. It's trolling.

Notepad++ (and many other Windows executables) was found vulnerable to loading a hacked DLL dependency on a compromised Windows system. Notepad++ itself contained no backdoor as far as I can tell.

This issue is explained here, as well as the actions taken to prevent it from happening again:

https://community.notepad-plus-plus.org/topic/13415/v7-3-3-f...

Re: Notepad++ issues attacked by Chinese commenters

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the CIA has dedicated manpower to fucking with the Notepad++ dev so that HN could see it and think critical thoughts about the Chinese... then I think they might have some misplaced priorities. The far more likely explanation is that this is organic. Edit: I stand corrected. Wow.

>If the CIA has dedicated manpower to fucking with the Notepad++ dev so that HN could see it and think critical thoughts about the Chinese... then I think they might have some misplaced priorities. I mean... the CIA did fuck with Notepad++ in the past: https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/cms/page_26968090.html

More specifically:

https://community.notepad-plus-plus.org/topic/13415/v7-3-3-f...

The CIA replaced a DLL dependency of Notepad++ with a hijacked version on compromised Windows systems.

Re: Notepad++ issues attacked by Chinese commenters

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Obviously, exposing state surveillance and oppression is a good thing.

However a lot of western media and commenters conflate this by adding their own propaganda twists into their message, either surreptitiously (being anti-Chinese and using "freedom" as an excuse to attack China) or perhaps innocently without realising it (ignorantly, thinking their are really about "freedom" and not realising their own prejudices). This unnecessarily inflames the situation and a more balanced message would have worked better without triggering the sensitivities of very nationalist people.

> The Uyghurs are not ethnically Chinese but live in China’s so-called autonomous Xinjiang region. The region’s name suggests the Uyghurs have autonomy and self-governance.

"Chinese" is not an ethnicity, you probably meant "Han Chinese" as the ethnicity. Saying that Uyghurs "are not Chinese" is like saying Northern Irish people "are not British". Of course this is going to piss people off, pro-Chinese Uyghurs included. Indeed many of the Github comments are about accusations to split China, and of course if you go into Northern Ireland and talk about how all those people are "not British" you will understandably get the same sort of accusation, that you are trying to split up a nation. Indeed the pro-British Northern Irish call themselves the "unionists", the very word the direct opposite meaning to "split".

The naming of the region as "autonomous" is also historical and unrelated to the current surveillance and oppression (which is appalling) but to say this in your second paragraph makes it sound like there is some conspiratorial connection. The region in fact does have more legal autonomy than the other provinces of China.

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