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Leonard Kleinrock on what went wrong with the internet
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Re: Leonard Kleinrock on what went wrong with the internet
#52It didn't go wrong. It went very well. It didn't turn into the idealized vision that the author apparently had for it, but that's not unusual.
It's true that very often people only start things thinking about easy to dream benefits, and rarely about the systemic implications.
Re: Leonard Kleinrock on what went wrong with the internet
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
something definitely went wrong, imo. when that pizzahut website link was posted a few days ago, i felt nostalgic about old web pages. most of them were about favorite topics, shows, hobbies and links! friends (the show) had thousands of fan made websites. websites linked to other websites with similar interest. now it's all about "us" and "me". we don't even link to other websites anymore. blog rolls and guestbooks…
> we don't even link to other websites anymore. Meaning, there is no WWW anymore. (Just a bunch of isolated load-on-demand apps distributed by a network.) Edit: Is this why Google Chrome is hiding the "www." sub-domain prefix, because it doesn't apply anymore? ;-)
Google is a driving force behind the destruction of the web. They like the content they do not like the links. The best way for the web to develop from Googles point of view is if we all consume just the content that Google forwards us to without horizontal bridges between pages. So that's why you will see Google push to reduce the importance of URLs and why Google will - shamelessly - lift content of other websites and display it as their own as the result of a query on the results page rather than to link to the site that they took the content from to begin with.
Re: Leonard Kleinrock on what went wrong with the internet
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
something definitely went wrong, imo. when that pizzahut website link was posted a few days ago, i felt nostalgic about old web pages. most of them were about favorite topics, shows, hobbies and links! friends (the show) had thousands of fan made websites. websites linked to other websites with similar interest. now it's all about "us" and "me". we don't even link to other websites anymore. blog rolls and guestbooks…
> we don't even link to other websites anymore. Meaning, there is no WWW anymore. (Just a bunch of isolated load-on-demand apps distributed by a network.) Edit: Is this why Google Chrome is hiding the "www." sub-domain prefix, because it doesn't apply anymore? ;-)
This phenomenon has been discussed to some degree; here's an article about the changing web and who benefits from it and what we've lost in the process:
https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/social-networks-apps-killing-o...
Re: Leonard Kleinrock on what went wrong with the internet
#55I met my wife on the internet, on a chat site I created back in 1995, we have a beautiful son, I’ve made countless friends through the internet, had a fantastic 25+ year career.
I guess I’m saying that the internet has been awesome for this family.
That said, I do agree that it has been co-opted in ways that are not good by a few nefarious players.
Still, it’s not all bad.
Re: Leonard Kleinrock on what went wrong with the internet
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
something definitely went wrong, imo. when that pizzahut website link was posted a few days ago, i felt nostalgic about old web pages. most of them were about favorite topics, shows, hobbies and links! friends (the show) had thousands of fan made websites. websites linked to other websites with similar interest. now it's all about "us" and "me". we don't even link to other websites anymore. blog rolls and guestbooks…
Yes, this is a common topic between my girlfriend and me. Internet as we know it (we grew up in the 2000s with MSN, forums, etc) doesnt exist anymore. First (at least for us, for other people there would be another "first") were the basic webpages done in Frontpage or Dreamweaver (if you had enough RAM), uploaded to free webservers like Tripod, Lycos, Geocities, copying and pasting scripts found out there to remove p…
AOL was the internet for some people (and maybe still is!).
It's just capitalism, put a fence around something, sell access, keep people ignorant of what they're missing.
It's impossible for things to stay good under unrestrained capitalism because there's always some [even very minor] deleterious action that can be exploited for profit (financial or control). Those actions tend to proliferate and cascade.
Re: Leonard Kleinrock on what went wrong with the internet
#57What do you guys think about a kickstarter to raise enough money to buy Facebook/Instagram/Twitter/etc and shut it down for everyone's benefit?
Re: Leonard Kleinrock on what went wrong with the internet
#58How did it go so wrong - the same way it did go wrong with many other tools - people used them to better themselves at the cost of others. > We could try to push the internet back toward its ethical roots. However, it would be a complex challenge requiring a joint effort by interested parties — which means pretty much everyone. That "everyone" also includes bad actors.
> ethical roots weren't they all working for the .mil?
Some with more degrees of separation than others, yes.
Yasha Levine's "Surveillance Valley" is a satisfactory history of that era, up to the near-present, albeit with a clear political perspective.
Re: Leonard Kleinrock on what went wrong with the internet
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
something definitely went wrong, imo. when that pizzahut website link was posted a few days ago, i felt nostalgic about old web pages. most of them were about favorite topics, shows, hobbies and links! friends (the show) had thousands of fan made websites. websites linked to other websites with similar interest. now it's all about "us" and "me". we don't even link to other websites anymore. blog rolls and guestbooks…
Yes, this is a common topic between my girlfriend and me. Internet as we know it (we grew up in the 2000s with MSN, forums, etc) doesnt exist anymore. First (at least for us, for other people there would be another "first") were the basic webpages done in Frontpage or Dreamweaver (if you had enough RAM), uploaded to free webservers like Tripod, Lycos, Geocities, copying and pasting scripts found out there to remove p…
What you are describing is dilution of users who are not technical at all.
The people creating content, stupid simple websites, blogs, catalogs or very niche websites are still there, it's just not that obvious that they are there.
Re: Leonard Kleinrock on what went wrong with the internet
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, this is a common topic between my girlfriend and me. Internet as we know it (we grew up in the 2000s with MSN, forums, etc) doesnt exist anymore. First (at least for us, for other people there would be another "first") were the basic webpages done in Frontpage or Dreamweaver (if you had enough RAM), uploaded to free webservers like Tripod, Lycos, Geocities, copying and pasting scripts found out there to remove p…
People still run blogs. People still run their own forums. Nothing is "lost", there is just a whole lot of new things that apparently don't interest you as much. Personally, I can't really say that I miss any of the sites designed like they were in the 90s, with their ever-rotating GIFs, Flash-based intro pages, "Designed for Netscape" badges. And does an influencer need to have his/her own website? Not more than an…
I think maybe they're bemoaning the dichotomy between increased access and apparent decreased use of the internet for creation of content by ordinary users -- or at least content that's not being exploited for advertising/marketing?
I'd warrant a tiny fraction of users have their own blogs now compared to a decade ago?