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When AWS, Azure, or GCP Becomes the Competition

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Re: When AWS, Azure, or GCP Becomes the Competition

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Post by sciurus »

a13n wrote: post #42
vivekl wrote: post #31

While AWS has ruffled a bunch of feathers with their Elasticsearch and Kafka managed offerings which can be easily construed as attempts to steam roll the respective open source-first entities, I am actually quite impressed by the mechanism that Azure has employed with Azure Managed Applications: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/managed-applications/... . Hashicorp recently announced their collaboration with Az…

> While AWS has ruffled a bunch of feathers with their Elasticsearch and Kafka managed offerings Also DynamoDB (vs MongoDB)

I think you mean DocumentDB, not DynamoDB.

https://aws.amazon.com/documentdb/

Re: When AWS, Azure, or GCP Becomes the Competition

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Post by _hyn3 »

btown wrote: post #41
techntoke wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it is being heavily used just invest in making a nice website where you can offer professional services and SaaS deployment with advanced features.

This is quite literally what the parent is arguing that the cloud providers are making obsolete.

For a large, VC-backed open-source startup with many employees, yes, the cloud providers have made this obsolete to a large extent, Open Core not withstanding.

For a single author of a popular open-source product or library, it's still very possible to earn a good living working on the thing that you built.

Re: When AWS, Azure, or GCP Becomes the Competition

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Post by user5994461 »

hinkley wrote: post #20
aynsof wrote: post #2

It misses a couple of big ones: 1. Offer a great user experience. Many cloud providers are just pumping products out the door with little to no concern for UX. 2. Have great personality. That could be through offering outstanding support, or through being the kind of company that people root for. (Honeycomb.io is a good example of this.)

Of the many people who hated Microsoft during their rise to power, one of the most coherent groups were people who were mad because MS put a competitor with an arguably better product out of business. That is in fact how FUD got into the vernacular. They would make vague promises that you couldn't quite call outright lies about having a product coming in that market, and a year later they'd put out something tepid (t…

Who is gonna play wait-and-see in this day and age? We're not in the 90's where one had to wait for the product to be announced, then built, then shipped on a CD.

Re: When AWS, Azure, or GCP Becomes the Competition

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Post by paragraft »

gk1 wrote: post #7

There are many more examples that I did not include. Like Redis (and AWS Elasticache), MongoDB, Cassandra, Akamai (and AWS Cloudfront), etc. Any others?

Auth0 (and others) and Cognito (which is a good example of the incumbents thriving because I don't know anybody who's that happy with Cognito)

Re: When AWS, Azure, or GCP Becomes the Competition

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Post by ceejayoz »

sdan wrote: post #44
Redsquare wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Azure has Azure Stack, you need a deep wallet https://azure.microsoft.com/en-gb/overview/azure-stack/

Interesting, because I was seriously thinking of building a product where you get a good amount of features from these cloud providers and run it on your own servers... although obviously there's going to be some drawbacks, you may save a lot of money.

That's https://www.openstack.org/.

Re: When AWS, Azure, or GCP Becomes the Competition

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Post by scarface74 »

vivekl wrote: post #31

While AWS has ruffled a bunch of feathers with their Elasticsearch and Kafka managed offerings which can be easily construed as attempts to steam roll the respective open source-first entities, I am actually quite impressed by the mechanism that Azure has employed with Azure Managed Applications: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/managed-applications/... . Hashicorp recently announced their collaboration with Az…

When you use the marketplace, you get support directly from the vendor. What’s the diffference?

Re: When AWS, Azure, or GCP Becomes the Competition

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Post by mistrial9 »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #25

> Think Twice Before Open-Sourcing I think it is a problem that it is very hard to monetize open source infrastructure libraries. In the past, you could try to do consulting or else offer paid hosting. Now with the cloud providers doing "zero management" hosting of open source libraries, both those avenues have been seriously curtailed. Honestly, it seems like if you are the primary author of a popular open source li…

no, this is not so black & white. Lets take it in two parts 'Free' and 'Open Source'. One use of Open Source is to participate in science; define, expand, fork, integrate, extend. A different use of 'Free' is to become the standard upon which the infrastructure depends; hard game, but big results.

One author may steer or originate, but over time, Free and Open Source, is the work of many authors, many architectural components, and many network nodes.

Said another way, to understand the motivations of Free and Open Source, one must be able to see beyond one author, to the effects on systems, and systems of systems. Much of the benefits of both Free and Open Source, are not mainly to one author, but to systems, and over time.

This is important, as much of basic computing would not exist as it is now, except for sacrifice and insights by earlier authors and teams.

Re: When AWS, Azure, or GCP Becomes the Competition

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Post by sdan »

ceejayoz wrote: post #55
sdan wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting, because I was seriously thinking of building a product where you get a good amount of features from these cloud providers and run it on your own servers... although obviously there's going to be some drawbacks, you may save a lot of money.

That's https://www.openstack.org/ .

Oh. Haha. Looks like I learned something new today. Thanks for the info!

Re: When AWS, Azure, or GCP Becomes the Competition

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Post by manigandham »

Uses want to pay for (managed) services, not software. The rise of AWS and cloud and downfall of on-prem licensing models over the last decade has proven this beyond any doubt.

It's completely a failure of vendors to keep trying to sell software instead of competing on the services. The ones who have rolled out their own offerings are generating plenty of revenue, but the overall breadth, flexibility and quality of is still rather poor. I don't understand why these vendors are moving slowly here. They're the best at running their own software. Writing some blog posts isn't going to fix anything.

Re: When AWS, Azure, or GCP Becomes the Competition

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Post by elamje »

I wonder if this is a driving force behind why Cognitect has kept Datomic closed source. I’ve seen people rally against Datomic more than once for that reason, but honestly, how can you open-source something truly unique and monetize without a large risk of cloud provider hijacking.
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