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900 Children Test Positive for H.I.V. in Pakistani city of Ratodero

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Re: 900 Children Test Positive for H.I.V. in Pakistani city of Ratodero

#91

Post by hdhajd »

pvaldes wrote: post #89
scarmig wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Among many other issues, the world you fantasize about would result in far more cases of HIV. What actually decreased HIV transmission rates was destigmatization; more people being tested; creating a cultural norm around condom use; and new treatment regimes and adherence strategies that decrease viral load to undetectability. All three of the latter have a core dependency on destigmatization, which your proposed pol…

> the world you fantasize about would result in far more cases of HIV. I think that the opposite is infinitely more probable. Less new cases when people has the knowledge to take reasoned decisions. The right to african wifes to know that her husband has become a carrier should prevail over the right from those men to hide the disease and remain silent for convenience. African doctors should assure to inform the wife…

Not being a fucking fascist on the Internet is better for society but look where we are?

You’re ignoring all the reasonable evidence that what you’re suggesting doesn’t fucking work. This isn’t a new idea and tons of countries would fucking love throwing HIV positive people into camps if they could get away with it.

Stop. Being. Fascist. If not, hopefully someone bashes some sense into your dense skull.

Re: 900 Children Test Positive for H.I.V. in Pakistani city of Ratodero

#92

Post by hdhajd »

pvaldes wrote: post #88
rghertgdvs wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I will call it, "fascist way" Yes, it is. Not only that, you're conflating "people caught infecting deliberately other people" with the totality of the HIV-positive population. That is a tiny, tiny group of people. I can't believe this shit. It's not even worth arguing against it's so fucking depraved and immoral.

> you're conflating "people caught infecting deliberately other people" with the totality of the HIV-positive population Nope. I'm not saying that. Read my post again

No shit you didn’t say it explicitly but you’re sure as hell conflating those ideas.

Re: 900 Children Test Positive for H.I.V. in Pakistani city of Ratodero

#93

Post by pvaldes »

hdhajd wrote: post #91
pvaldes wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the world you fantasize about would result in far more cases of HIV. I think that the opposite is infinitely more probable. Less new cases when people has the knowledge to take reasoned decisions. The right to african wifes to know that her husband has become a carrier should prevail over the right from those men to hide the disease and remain silent for convenience. African doctors should assure to inform the wife…

Not being a fucking fascist on the Internet is better for society but look where we are? You’re ignoring all the reasonable evidence that what you’re suggesting doesn’t fucking work. This isn’t a new idea and tons of countries would fucking love throwing HIV positive people into camps if they could get away with it. Stop. Being. Fascist. If not, hopefully someone bashes some sense into your dense skull.

> Not being a fucking fascist on the Internet blah blah blah...

I would prefer to speak as adults. Thanks.

By the way I never talked about camps, and to call fascist to other people in a discussion currently (instead to show real counter-arguments), is a really worn out strategy and a sign of laziness. Everybody does it (and it never solved anything).

Re: 900 Children Test Positive for H.I.V. in Pakistani city of Ratodero

#94

Post by hdhajd »

pvaldes wrote: post #93
hdhajd wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not being a fucking fascist on the Internet is better for society but look where we are? You’re ignoring all the reasonable evidence that what you’re suggesting doesn’t fucking work. This isn’t a new idea and tons of countries would fucking love throwing HIV positive people into camps if they could get away with it. Stop. Being. Fascist. If not, hopefully someone bashes some sense into your dense skull.

> Not being a fucking fascist on the Internet blah blah blah... I would prefer to speak as adults. Thanks. By the way I never talked about camps, and to call fascist to other people in a discussion currently (instead to show real counter-arguments), is a really worn out strategy and a sign of laziness. Everybody does it (and it never solved anything).

Stop being morally depraved and have some goddamn sense and maybe we can “speak as adults”. What the fuck is “rounding up all the HIV positive people” _other_ than throwing them into a camp?

I don’t have “debates” with fascists because your ideology is violent and should be met in kind. I don’t give a shit about putting my effort into my argument because you obviously don’t give a shit about basic moral decency. Fuck you.

You know what did solve things? Shooting the goddamn thugs who’s idea it was to throw HIV positive people into camps in the first place.

Re: 900 Children Test Positive for H.I.V. in Pakistani city of Ratodero

#95

Post by sizzle »

scarmig wrote: post #29

What's (not) shocking is how stigmatized the HIV-positive population is. Authorities are literally segregating the HIV-positive children into a different side of the room from the rest. An obvious effect of this is that people will be terrified to get tested at all, as it's all downside with the possible upside of treatment being a distant dream. And that makes it both harder to evaluate the spread of the disease, an…

First time in hearing about a barber being able to spread HIV and my anxiety is now through the roof, having left haircuts with minor cuts from tapering my neckline etc. with no sanitization between customers whatsoever.

What is the likelihood of a barber passing an transmissible disease? Any stats? Thanks.

Re: 900 Children Test Positive for H.I.V. in Pakistani city of Ratodero

#96

Post by jbob2000 »

sizzle wrote: post #95
scarmig wrote: post #29

What's (not) shocking is how stigmatized the HIV-positive population is. Authorities are literally segregating the HIV-positive children into a different side of the room from the rest. An obvious effect of this is that people will be terrified to get tested at all, as it's all downside with the possible upside of treatment being a distant dream. And that makes it both harder to evaluate the spread of the disease, an…

First time in hearing about a barber being able to spread HIV and my anxiety is now through the roof, having left haircuts with minor cuts from tapering my neckline etc. with no sanitization between customers whatsoever. What is the likelihood of a barber passing an transmissible disease? Any stats? Thanks.

Unless you’re going to sketchy back alley barber shops where they’re regularly cutting you with infected blades, you’re probably fine. It’s not as easy to transmit as you may think. Did you know there’s only a 25% chance a pregnant woman with HIV will pass it on to her child? It’s less than 1% if she’s taking medication.

Also, it’s really easy to get tested for it, you could go and get checked.

Re: 900 Children Test Positive for H.I.V. in Pakistani city of Ratodero

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Post by jbob2000 »

scarmig wrote: post #29

What's (not) shocking is how stigmatized the HIV-positive population is. Authorities are literally segregating the HIV-positive children into a different side of the room from the rest. An obvious effect of this is that people will be terrified to get tested at all, as it's all downside with the possible upside of treatment being a distant dream. And that makes it both harder to evaluate the spread of the disease, an…

The autoclave won’t protect you from prion disease. Have fun with that next time you’re at the dentist, optometrist, walk-in, and yes, the barber.

Re: 900 Children Test Positive for H.I.V. in Pakistani city of Ratodero

#98

Post by foldr »

pvaldes wrote: post #93
hdhajd wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not being a fucking fascist on the Internet is better for society but look where we are? You’re ignoring all the reasonable evidence that what you’re suggesting doesn’t fucking work. This isn’t a new idea and tons of countries would fucking love throwing HIV positive people into camps if they could get away with it. Stop. Being. Fascist. If not, hopefully someone bashes some sense into your dense skull.

> Not being a fucking fascist on the Internet blah blah blah... I would prefer to speak as adults. Thanks. By the way I never talked about camps, and to call fascist to other people in a discussion currently (instead to show real counter-arguments), is a really worn out strategy and a sign of laziness. Everybody does it (and it never solved anything).

> I will call it, "fascist way".

> and to call fascist to other people in a discussion

Your words.

You should really have a long hard think about what you're saying. What you are proposing is utterly disgusting.

Re: 900 Children Test Positive for H.I.V. in Pakistani city of Ratodero

#99

Post by foldr »

apta wrote: post #79
dfasdfasd wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yikessss the 1980's US government quarantining a huge percentage of the gay community... That ain't it. HIV is not easy to communicate to other people. Education and PrEP have reduced the problem immensely.

HIV is much more prominent in homosexual men, not sure what your point is.

What is your point?

Re: 900 Children Test Positive for H.I.V. in Pakistani city of Ratodero

#100

Post by adrianN »

nitwit005 wrote: post #87
adrianN wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The alternative is that the children don't get medical treatment and die.

Have you ever gotten a non-emergency medical treatment so beneficial that it was worth getting HIV in exchange? Do you know anyone who has? I wish we had medicine that amazing, but it doesn't exist. In theory, such a treatment is possible, but in reality, they're just making everything worse.

I really doubt that people who can't afford a clean syringe go to the doctor for non-emergency treatments.
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