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Post by comicjk »

afpx wrote: post #33
afpx wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like these personal data collection “ad tech” companies that are staffed by foreign nationals who send the data back to their homelands. Most Americans (not in tech) don’t get that there’s a dossier on everyone.

I guess I’m downvoted because it sounds far-fetched. Well, given that I work for one of these companies, I can say it’s true.

Repeating it doesn't make it sound more plausible. If you have evidence, please take it to a journalist - this would be an explosive and worthwhile story! In a comments section, though, it's indistinguishable from mere slander against immigrants.

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Post by learc83 »

Canada wrote: post #51
surge wrote: post #45

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Google 9 dash line Google belt and road initiative People are upset that China isn't honoring their agreement and are dismantling the democratic system and free speech HK is enjoying now, these are universal human rights. Rather than China learning from what made HK so prosperous, as they were for a while, the new leadership is heading back towards the old Maoism policies that lead to the massive starvation and famin…

To be fair, it is also the position of ROC that there is one China (and they are the legitimate authority of it)

China has threatened to invade them if they relinquish their claim on the mainland. They view that as effectively declaring independence. Saying that it's the position of the ROC isn't the entire story.

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Post by donw »

empath75 wrote: post #70
50656E6973 wrote: post #66

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>Do you actually have something concrete in mind here Ideals codified in law. For example, the 1rst and 2nd Amendments. When generalizing with national boundaries, I of course do not mean to imply that literally everyone born within those imaginary lines thinks the same. Are there more specific categories I could use for these ideological classifications?

I think it’s probably better to think of those enlightenment ideals as not something particularly western in nature as they were opposed violently for centuries by the entrenched power structures of the west.

Pretty much every major social change has been violently opposed by pre-existing power structures, so I'm not sure that's a meaningful distinction.

Is there another region outside of Europe that independently came up with a similar set of ideals as to what emerged from the Enlightenment[1]?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Enlightenment

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Post by microcolonel »

zachguo wrote: post #62
oitudgiyters wrote: post #47

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What I don’t understand is how we got into this situation in the first place. We know how powerful the US intelligence agencies are. The fact that the CIA has been able to install leaders in previously hostile governments shows their competence. Aside from Iran, most of their operations were successful. Even in their missteps, they were able to limit its influence in the region. So how did it come to this? Why does i…

They tried but failed. Now, most are done through NED and psyops, and it's pretty successful in terms of media manipulation.

Falun Gong is basically the only resistance left here, and you can see the line between CCP Chinese and non-CCP Chinese by walking down a major street: you can see where the Shen Yun posters end, and the Mandarin-only prints begin.

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Post by xvector »

hql2222 wrote: post #49
oitudgiyters wrote: post #47

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What I don’t understand is how we got into this situation in the first place. We know how powerful the US intelligence agencies are. The fact that the CIA has been able to install leaders in previously hostile governments shows their competence. Aside from Iran, most of their operations were successful. Even in their missteps, they were able to limit its influence in the region. So how did it come to this? Why does i…

> Why does it feel like the CIA dropped the ball on China? Because the CIA, literally, dropped the ball on China. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/20/world/asia/china-cia-spie...

How do you fall from being able to change the course of world history with shadow governments, to failing to even install operatives in the country?

> Last year, an F.B.I. employee pleaded guilty to acting as a Chinese agent for years, passing sensitive technology information to Beijing in exchange for cash, lavish hotel rooms during foreign travel and prostitutes.

That's how.

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Post by swagasaurus-rex »

scilro wrote: post #55
Canada wrote: post #31

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Yeah, some very bad things have happened. Not excusing that. But also things have worked out really really well for a lot of countries the US has imposed its will on. Countries it went to war with and could have utterly raped and plundered without resistance or really any objection. You think China is going to do better? Will it be more fair? The regime in China is willing to hurt anyone who even debates its track re…

>You think China is going to do better? Well... why wouldn't they? China since the time of Deng has been acutely aware of the risk of becoming an imperialist power[1]. Even if they have arguably crossed that line at some points (the South China Sea...), they're clearly attempting to take a markedly alternative path to becoming a superpower. I think the media tends to portray individuals in the Chinese government as u…

> I think the media tends to portray individuals in the Chinese government as uniquely sinister and amoral

Actually, yes, easy to agree with this statement.

Anybody who isn't paid by a government considers all governments as sinister and amoral, nothing unique about it.

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Post by DeonPenny »

president wrote: post #20

It's about time that the US start standing up to China's unrestricted warfare [1]. It's amazing that most Americans don't realize that China views the US as an adversary and has been quietly waging a war against the West. Why there are people who welcome the rise of Chinese/CCP hegemony when they are actively looking to crush [2] "Western values" is beyond me. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unrestricted_Warfare [2…

It's pretty obvious. It's like appeasement all over again. It's Cognitive dissonance simply to feel like you don't have to face a problem you've created

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Post by awinder »

50656E6973 wrote: post #56
president wrote: post #20

It's about time that the US start standing up to China's unrestricted warfare [1]. It's amazing that most Americans don't realize that China views the US as an adversary and has been quietly waging a war against the West. Why there are people who welcome the rise of Chinese/CCP hegemony when they are actively looking to crush [2] "Western values" is beyond me. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unrestricted_Warfare [2…

>Why there are people who welcome the rise of Chinese/CCP hegemony when they are actively looking to crush [2] "Western values" is beyond me. Perhaps it's because Big Tech is full of people who favor Chinese ideals over Western Enlightenment/American ideals, such as: -Group identity over individuality -Mass tracking/surveillance over privacy -Cenorship over free speech -State control/power over self defense

“-Group identity over individuality”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strauss–Howe_generational_th...

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Post by DeonPenny »

oitudgiyters wrote: post #47
president wrote: post #20

It's about time that the US start standing up to China's unrestricted warfare [1]. It's amazing that most Americans don't realize that China views the US as an adversary and has been quietly waging a war against the West. Why there are people who welcome the rise of Chinese/CCP hegemony when they are actively looking to crush [2] "Western values" is beyond me. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unrestricted_Warfare [2…

What I don’t understand is how we got into this situation in the first place. We know how powerful the US intelligence agencies are. The fact that the CIA has been able to install leaders in previously hostile governments shows their competence. Aside from Iran, most of their operations were successful. Even in their missteps, they were able to limit its influence in the region. So how did it come to this? Why does i…

Cause they did' China pretty much wipe out the CIA in their country. They've killed a lot of agents.

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Post by swagasaurus-rex »

rolltiide wrote: post #57
Canada wrote: post #39

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Yeah, there are consequences for challanging establishment views on certain topics, but nobody is throwing critics such as Noam Chompsky in jail, taking passports away from his family and restricting their movements, or doing the same to those who openly share his views. And such abuses of power, which have happened without a doubt, are in time recognised and documented as the wrong and shameful excesses they are.

> And such abuses of power, which have happened without a doubt, are in time recognized and documented as the wrong and shameful excesses they are. I'd like to agree, but this only happens if you are able to dissolve the administration you disagree with.

Or freedom of speech is upheld, which is not a view held by totalitarian regimes.
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