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Re: Ban Facial Recognition at Festivals

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I’ve always used the number of Spanish speaking radio stations on the dial as a litmus test for how much illegal immigration exists in my city. First generation and second generation don’t typically listen to to the Spanish speaking stations, so the demand is being driven by the initial immigrants, the majority of whom are illegal (in my city). No matter how much I hear about illegal immigration being cracked down up…

Source?

Re: Ban Facial Recognition at Festivals

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Why are most of the tweets mentioning deportation? Surveillance aside, since when has it been a human right to attend a festival in a country you are not allowed to reside in?

The people mentioning deportation probably believe that the rules determining who is or is not allowed in a country are unfair and should be circumvented in at least some cases.

You might disagree, but perhaps you can think of some other law that you wouldn't want festivals to assist in enforcing. If you can't, do you trust that the government will never pass such a law? If not, you might not want to normalize having facial recognition tech everywhere.

Re: Ban Facial Recognition at Festivals

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I’ve always used the number of Spanish speaking radio stations on the dial as a litmus test for how much illegal immigration exists in my city. First generation and second generation don’t typically listen to to the Spanish speaking stations, so the demand is being driven by the initial immigrants, the majority of whom are illegal (in my city). No matter how much I hear about illegal immigration being cracked down up…

Known terrorists shouldn’t be free in the first place, least of all in an Western country. And if they are free I suppose that are actively on the run (hence the “known” part) so I don’t think they’re in the mood for a concert or a Ligue 1 match. As such whenever the powers that be use the terrorists line for stuff like this I call them bullshitters, because that’s what they are.

> Known terrorists shouldn’t be free in the first place, least of all in an Western country

If I were a Western country, I would simply arrest all the known terrorists.

Re: Ban Facial Recognition at Festivals

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Known terrorists shouldn’t be free in the first place, least of all in an Western country. And if they are free I suppose that are actively on the run (hence the “known” part) so I don’t think they’re in the mood for a concert or a Ligue 1 match. As such whenever the powers that be use the terrorists line for stuff like this I call them bullshitters, because that’s what they are.

Terrorists attend these events to, you know, commit acts of terrorism, not enjoy the music.

Yeah, you’re talking about unknown/not-yet terrorists, but I expect that people that have actually committed terrorist acts in the past to be either behind bars or reformed (spending 20-25 years behind bars may make you change your mind about killing inocent people the next time). By definition, people that have not yet committed any terrorist acts are not, well, terrorists, thinking otherwise risks making us dive into thought-crime territory.

Re: Ban Facial Recognition at Festivals

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What is the original intent of the use of facial recognition at festivals? Is it drug trafficking tracking? Terrorism tracking? Satisfaction tracking?

It starts off with obvious and socially acceptable uses of technology, such as stopping terrorism. Over time, though, the application of technology like this will be used to target people for lesser offenses. Unpaid parking tickets, for example.

Re: Ban Facial Recognition at Festivals

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay so you think setting up FR at burning man so we can deport some people that went to burning man does any net good for society? Why? Because our culture is changing too quickly? Shameful. Do you also think deporting the 11m people here illegally would be good for society? Protip: it would be devastating.

Deporting the 11m illegal immigrants here would result in higher wages for low-income citizens and reduce inequality. So you think paying poor people more money is a bad thing? Why? Why do you love income inequality so much?

You honestly believe that deporting 11m people from this country would just drive up peoples wages? It wouldn't have incredible ripple effects across our economy as 5m jobs go un-done and many businesses go under? Maybe if you look at it on 30-40 year timescales things will stabilize, but you just ruined the lives of every american you said you want to help by starting a recession that would be much much worse than 2008.

Re: Ban Facial Recognition at Festivals

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what changed? FR didn't exist 10 years ago but the events did so why do the events need FR now?

Yeah, 10 years ago a venue receiving threats had to purchase additional insurance, hire additional security, and run a SWAT team like surveillance operation. After that became routine, every venue that can host any gathering of any size became a security sink that ate attention and distracted potential opportunities as public levels of casual violence simply skyrocketed to the levels we see today.

Can you point me towards any sources that show skyrocketing levels of casual violence?

Re: Ban Facial Recognition at Festivals

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Why are most of the tweets mentioning deportation? Surveillance aside, since when has it been a human right to attend a festival in a country you are not allowed to reside in?

Someone always makes this comment every time illegal immigration is mentioned as if the law is the final word on what is just. And then they’ll complain about someone going to prison for being a whistleblower or pirating movies or cheer on the protestors in Hong Kong.

Perhaps existing law isn’t perfect, but ignoring it isn’t an answer to it; otherwise there’d be no point in having any laws at all. Our laws are supposed to codify what we collectively believe are the boundaries of individual and collective action for the common good. And we have constitutional means to change them when we conclude we need to do so.

If you want to practice civil disobedience, it can sometimes effectuate change, but it doesn’t always work — especially not immediately — and you have to be willing to be punished in the meantime.

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