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Re: Ban Facial Recognition at Festivals

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Post by amelius »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #66

Facial recognition is just math. Why are people trying to classify certain matrices as illegal? It seems this was a convincing argument for a lot of people in regards to encryption. Facial recognition is math just as much as encryption is.

It's not the math that is illegal, but the application of it.

And even in some cases math itself can be illegal. For example digital images can be written as large integers, and we know that in some jurisdictions, it is illegal to have some types of images in one's possession.

Re: Ban Facial Recognition at Festivals

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Post by LeanderK »

bredren wrote: post #31
dbg31415 wrote: post #3

Burning Man wants to use facial recognition? Uh... guess it's time we all got gas masks.

I can’t see how the org would choose to use facial recognition. I can see how they would not explicitly ban participants from including it in art. New rules can take a while to be formed and it is only if there is a real need. I can also see LE using it or requiring its use—but that could happen at any of these events. This is sort of an alarmist site / concept given only five out of the large list “might” use it.

> I can see how they would not explicitly ban participants from including it in art. New rules can take a while to be formed and it is only if there is a real need.

Banning it in art would also make art that is explicitly about facial recongnition pretty much impossible.

Re: Ban Facial Recognition at Festivals

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Post by otterley »

jmpman wrote: post #68

I’ve always used the number of Spanish speaking radio stations on the dial as a litmus test for how much illegal immigration exists in my city. First generation and second generation don’t typically listen to to the Spanish speaking stations, so the demand is being driven by the initial immigrants, the majority of whom are illegal (in my city). No matter how much I hear about illegal immigration being cracked down up…

You’re dismissing the possibility that the first-generation immigrants who listen to these radio stations were admitted legally.

Re: Ban Facial Recognition at Festivals

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Post by paganel »

jmpman wrote: post #68

I’ve always used the number of Spanish speaking radio stations on the dial as a litmus test for how much illegal immigration exists in my city. First generation and second generation don’t typically listen to to the Spanish speaking stations, so the demand is being driven by the initial immigrants, the majority of whom are illegal (in my city). No matter how much I hear about illegal immigration being cracked down up…

Known terrorists shouldn’t be free in the first place, least of all in an Western country. And if they are free I suppose that are actively on the run (hence the “known” part) so I don’t think they’re in the mood for a concert or a Ligue 1 match. As such whenever the powers that be use the terrorists line for stuff like this I call them bullshitters, because that’s what they are.

Re: Ban Facial Recognition at Festivals

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Post by NeedMoreTea »

derriz wrote: post #60
derriz wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where in Europe are you talking about? The majority of immigrants in any EU country come from other EU countries. Of the remainder, less than 10% arrived as refugees. The vast majority of refugees (over 90% I’d guess) are documented and those from Syria or North Africa constitute only a fraction of all refugees. The average European is highly highly unlikely to have ever encountered an undocumented refugee from Syria…

Don’t understand the downvotes. If anyone has any references to there being a large number of undocumented immigrants in Europe, I’d be glad to be corrected. Most of Europe is very different to the US in this regard. Without being legal/registered, you’ve no chance of getting the equivalent of an SSN, drivers license, opening a bank account, leasing an apartment or in some cases even buy a mobile phone. Consequently,…

Well based on media discussion of a current major UK story - that 39 immigrants died in a refrigerated lorry, it's spawned a lot of stories into illegal immigration and why 39 people were trying to get to the UK. Police are currently investigating the lorry having been one of a convoy of three - so potentially around 100. One of the reports, that I can't find again, I think someone at Rotterdam port discussing that some unbelievably low percentage of trucks are checked properly in the major EU ports, and few even have capability to check for presence of people. Just a check that seals are intact, papers are right, and a camera to see passing vehicles.

So it's probable that many Europeans could have encountered illegal immigrants without realising.

The common point is there a selection of low pay service jobs that attract illegal immigrants, who then become trapped. Some by debt and threats to family, and other more direct slavery. Anti-trafficking and similar groups have been warning of issues for years, and mostly ignored.

It remains a truth that the vast majority of immigration in Europe is legal, but there is a significant level of illegal migration. Thanks to the free movement of peoples within the EU, it is far harder to detect than before those border checks were pulled down.

Here is just one of a selection of pieces that have come up this week across all the press:

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2019/oct/25/trafficked-vietn...

Re: Ban Facial Recognition at Festivals

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Post by Erlich_Bachman »

logicchains wrote: post #35
jstanley wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It should be a human right to exist at a public place/event anywhere on Earth, regardless of which country you were born in.

It's insane that people will go on about how important it is to treat people equally regardless of their race, gender, skin colour or sexuality, but also argue it's perfectly fine and moral to discriminate based on place of birth. Because people clearly have a lot more control over where they're born than they do over their skin color or gender..

Because of the tax dollars (or euros or whatever) which the residents pay and the immigrants don't? Ok so you are saying the right to be anywhere should be given to anyone. Is the right to spend my tax money (which was used up to build infrastructure, institutions, healthcare, etc. etc.) also something that should be given to anyone else in the entire world? How can you possibly think this is just? That every random person should be able to use publicly paid infrastructure that they haven't paid for?

Re: Ban Facial Recognition at Festivals

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Post by nexuist »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #66

Facial recognition is just math. Why are people trying to classify certain matrices as illegal? It seems this was a convincing argument for a lot of people in regards to encryption. Facial recognition is math just as much as encryption is.

>Why are people trying to classify certain matrices as illegal?

Certain encryption algorithms, which are at their core applied math, are still illegal to export to this day to certain countries such as Iran. They are regulated and banned under the same treaties that apply to nuclear weapons.

If you publish an app to Apple's App Store, for example, you have to sign a waiver explaining if your app uses encryption (such as for SSL/TLS) before being allowed to publish in international markets.

Not saying it is right, but there is definitely legal precedent to ban mathematical knowledge at the international level.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Export_of_cryptography_from_th...

Re: Ban Facial Recognition at Festivals

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Post by paganel »

infinitezest wrote: post #25
empath75 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Someone always makes this comment every time illegal immigration is mentioned as if the law is the final word on what is just. And then they’ll complain about someone going to prison for being a whistleblower or pirating movies or cheer on the protestors in Hong Kong.

I didn't see anything in OP's comment about whistleblowers, pirating or HK.

Saying that people should go to prison because they happen to illegally be in a country that’s not theirs is in the same realm of bad things as what the mainland Chinese are trying to do now in HK.

Re: Ban Facial Recognition at Festivals

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Post by blfr »

paganel wrote: post #75
jmpman wrote: post #68

I’ve always used the number of Spanish speaking radio stations on the dial as a litmus test for how much illegal immigration exists in my city. First generation and second generation don’t typically listen to to the Spanish speaking stations, so the demand is being driven by the initial immigrants, the majority of whom are illegal (in my city). No matter how much I hear about illegal immigration being cracked down up…

Known terrorists shouldn’t be free in the first place, least of all in an Western country. And if they are free I suppose that are actively on the run (hence the “known” part) so I don’t think they’re in the mood for a concert or a Ligue 1 match. As such whenever the powers that be use the terrorists line for stuff like this I call them bullshitters, because that’s what they are.

Terrorists attend these events to, you know, commit acts of terrorism, not enjoy the music.
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