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Re: Ban Facial Recognition at Festivals

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post #17

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Where I live, work permits are so easy (or automatic through the virtue of being in Schengen area) to get that illegal immigration basically does not exist, so the whole idea is vague at best to me.

Where in the Schengen area does illegal immigration basically not exist?

Czech Republic

Re: Ban Facial Recognition at Festivals

#62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can’t answer for sergiotapia, but I will say that you cannot have unconstrained immigration and high-quality public goods at the same time. Also, rapid unconstrained immigration causes equally rapid changes in culture, and it’s not unreasonable at all for existing citizens to object to that.

Okay so you think setting up FR at burning man so we can deport some people that went to burning man does any net good for society? Why? Because our culture is changing too quickly? Shameful. Do you also think deporting the 11m people here illegally would be good for society? Protip: it would be devastating.

Deporting the 11m illegal immigrants here would result in higher wages for low-income citizens and reduce inequality. So you think paying poor people more money is a bad thing? Why? Why do you love income inequality so much?

Re: Ban Facial Recognition at Festivals

#64
post #4

Why are most of the tweets mentioning deportation? Surveillance aside, since when has it been a human right to attend a festival in a country you are not allowed to reside in?

Because the computer might say you are someone else.

Do not underestimate the power of "computer said so"

Re: Ban Facial Recognition at Festivals

#65
post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you are in Europe, how can you not be aware of undocumented refugees from North Africa and Syria? What you are saying is completely delusional.

Where in Europe are you talking about? The majority of immigrants in any EU country come from other EU countries. Of the remainder, less than 10% arrived as refugees. The vast majority of refugees (over 90% I’d guess) are documented and those from Syria or North Africa constitute only a fraction of all refugees. The average European is highly highly unlikely to have ever encountered an undocumented refugee from Syria…

Sorry, but you have no clue how many undocumented immigrants are all around you. Just because most of them are white you don't notice them in streets and they work shitty and hard jobs so you don't meet them either... I personally know like a dozen guys from Serbia and Bosnia who live in Austria and Germany illegally, and that's a dime a dozen. Us, Albanians and Turks are for EU what Mexicans are for US...

Re: Ban Facial Recognition at Festivals

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post #4

Why are most of the tweets mentioning deportation? Surveillance aside, since when has it been a human right to attend a festival in a country you are not allowed to reside in?

>Surveillance aside, since when has it been a human right to attend a festival in a country you are not allowed to reside in?

Forgetting about illegal immigrants for a moment, are you saying that visitors to some country shouldn't be allowed at festivals? What have you got against tourism?

There's no right to visit attractions, but there ought to be a right to privacy, and I'd personally prefer a few illegals get to unjustly enjoy themselves over the invasive panopticon required to prevent that.

Re: Ban Facial Recognition at Festivals

#68
I’ve always used the number of Spanish speaking radio stations on the dial as a litmus test for how much illegal immigration exists in my city. First generation and second generation don’t typically listen to to the Spanish speaking stations, so the demand is being driven by the initial immigrants, the majority of whom are illegal (in my city).

No matter how much I hear about illegal immigration being cracked down upon, the Spanish speaking radio stations aren’t being converted to another format, so there’s still enough advertiser demand to pay for the station. That can only happen if the advertisers are finding a large enough customer base to justify their costs.

If these radio stations then sponsor concerts, it’s likely that the attendees will have a high illegal immigrant percentage.

Should the government be able to mass survey the Spanish speaking population attending these concerts, looking for immigrants who have not turned up to their deportation hearings?

I applaud the government for being that efficient with my tax dollars (I expect this method is much cheaper than others), but should they be doing it? Probably not.

Now what about facial recognition for known terrorists at large sporting events in order to prevent an attack? Maybe?? At music festivals? I can see the argument there too.

Re: Ban Facial Recognition at Festivals

#69

Facial recognition is just math. Why are people trying to classify certain matrices as illegal? It seems this was a convincing argument for a lot of people in regards to encryption. Facial recognition is math just as much as encryption is.

Facial recognition is “just math” in the same sense as being punched in the face is “just physics.” It’s not the natural properties that concern people; it’s the societal effects, political effects, and impacts on liberty that concern people.

Re: Ban Facial Recognition at Festivals

#70
post #37

Trying to ban FR seems to be a solving the privacy problem in the wrong way. Instead of banning FR, what should be fixed is the misidentification problem or the issue that come out when the FR become public.

This problem needs to be tackled from several angles, I think. Omnipresent cameras, linked to FR systems, are just as big a problem as misidentification.

Can you explain the problem in more detail?
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