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Climate Change Will Cost Us Even More Than We Think

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Re: Climate Change Will Cost Us Even More Than We Think

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Post by tito »

chris_va wrote: post #23

(disclaimer: I work in a Climate&Energy research group) I just want to remind everyone that there are solutions to climate change. We know how to produce clean energy and sequester CO2. The current free market does not make those solutions profitable for investors, though, and we will have to change that. Solving climate change can be as simple as getting a carbon price adopted. It needs to ramp up over time, allow a…

Great to see you here! I wonder how many HN people are actively working on Climate change research. Maybe we could have a meetup or something.

Here's our meetup on pulling carbon from the air, mainly in the Bay Area but want to spread out: https://meetup.com/airminers

Re: Climate Change Will Cost Us Even More Than We Think

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Post by crankylinuxuser »

sunseb wrote: post #31

A carbon tax is just massive scam built around this fear of global warning.

Is the great Pacific garbage patch a scam?

Is the great Atlantic garbage patch a scam?

Are industrial chemicals in aquifers a scam?

Is methylmercury accumulation in seafaring life a scam?

Is world heating, up to locations being human uninhabitable, a scam?

Are the glaciers in the Arctic and Antarctic breaking off and melting, a scam?

How much evidence do you need in convincing? Or is it just political posturing, and they tell people to repeat without thought?

EDIT: never mind, the "user" is a bad actor who posts doctored images and other "proof". This would be a good case study about Russian Interference and the similar . I would love to see the IP logs for this 'user'. I'd bet they were part of a bot posting farm.

Re: Climate Change Will Cost Us Even More Than We Think

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Post by maxerickson »

sambull wrote: post #27
pstuart wrote: post #2

It's going to happen faster than we've been told. I expect in 10 years global panic will set in.

Mainly because that means there is finite growth in the economy, and we've built a ponzi scheme of sorts at this point. It's a hard pill to swallow, that we can't just grow forever.

The thing is, we can grow until we can't anymore. Preemptively choosing to struggle with what we had yesterday is not a good response to the idea that there is a limit.

A good short term thing would be to more clearly understand the real costs of the things we do today. What is the long term environmental impact and so on.

Re: Climate Change Will Cost Us Even More Than We Think

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Post by olivermarks »

This is a very wide ranging piece by the two academics Naomi Oreskes and Nicholas Stern.

Oreskes: '...contrary to popular belief, there is no single scientific method. Rather, the trustworthiness of scientific claims derives from the social process by which they are rigorously vetted against'. It comes down to trust...

http://www.lse.ac.uk/GranthamInstitute/event/why-trust-scien...

Re: Climate Change Will Cost Us Even More Than We Think

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Post by standardUser »

chris_va wrote: post #23

(disclaimer: I work in a Climate&Energy research group) I just want to remind everyone that there are solutions to climate change. We know how to produce clean energy and sequester CO2. The current free market does not make those solutions profitable for investors, though, and we will have to change that. Solving climate change can be as simple as getting a carbon price adopted. It needs to ramp up over time, allow a…

One simple thing we can all do is never vote for a candidate if they are not for aggressive and immediate measures to combat global warming.

If the roughly 60-75% of Americans who believe human activity is causing climate change were to stop voting for individuals who don't believe this, we'd have meaningful change coming from the federal government within 2 years.

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Post by WillPostForFood »

radford-neal wrote: post #39
pstuart wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope. I'd love to be proven wrong.

I'm baffled. You "expect" something that you say you have no reason to expect, and you hope this expectation is wrong. Is this some new meaning of "expect" that I'm not familiar with? Or do you follow a psychological strategy of expecting bad things so that you'll always be pleasantly surprised?

It is a human phenomenon, that has religious and secular expressions.

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/psychology...

...some apocalyptic believers find the idea that the end is nigh to be validating. Individuals with a history of traumatic experiences, for example, may be fatalistic. For these people, finding a group of like-minded fatalists is reassuring. There may also be comfort in being able to attribute doom to some larger cosmic order—such as an ancient Mayan prophecy. This kind of mythology removes any sense of individual responsibility.

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Post by anatoly »

sunseb wrote: post #33
danso wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Strange. You seem to have posted a doctored image. The fact that your "1977" image uses modern typography should have been an obvious giveaway to you before you posted it. https://apnews.com/afs:Content:5755221200 > AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. The Time cover labeled in social posts as coming from 1977 is actually a cover from 2007, with the image altered to change the title from “The Global Warming Survival Guide” to “Ho…

Thanks! I didn't know what! What about the 1979 image?

https://climatecrocks.com/2013/06/07/the-1970s-ice-age-myth-...

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Post by empath75 »

phkahler wrote: post #49
chris_va wrote: post #23

(disclaimer: I work in a Climate&Energy research group) I just want to remind everyone that there are solutions to climate change. We know how to produce clean energy and sequester CO2. The current free market does not make those solutions profitable for investors, though, and we will have to change that. Solving climate change can be as simple as getting a carbon price adopted. It needs to ramp up over time, allow a…

>> Solving climate change can be as simple as getting a carbon price adopted. It needs to ramp up over time, allow a secondary market for offsets The simple solution to this big global catastrophe is my favorite money making scam. Here, just create this market for carbon credits. It makes my guys money while doing Jack shit. Seriously, if you think CO2 is the problem, the solution is to simply tax those that either t…

That’s essentially what he’s arguing for no?

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Post by ben_w »

phkahler wrote: post #19
tito wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Greenland's massive ice melt wasn't supposed to happen until 2070. It seems even the scientific predictions can be too conservative. The changing climate isn't a linear system, it's more like a step function. Once the ice melts it's much harder to get back. https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottsnowden/2019/08/16/greenla...

It's part of a natural cycle. We were never going to stop it anyway. The real means to stop it will not be talked about until the serious changes start happening and the entire world is in panic.

Your first sentence is false (there are natural cycles but the next one is due to cause an ice age in a few thousand years’ time, not warming).

Your second sentence is TBD, except that the actual natural cycle that would have led to an ice age in a few thousand years’ time has been disrupted and that ice age (and perhaps the one after it) will not now occur.

Your third sentence does not follow from either of the first two, and is demonstrably false as a conclusion because we are in fact talking about it.

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Post by gggegegeh »

I don’t get why people are so crazy about climate change. There are multiple avenues to fixing it. It’s a very simple problem to solve. Some aspects might not be like ocean acidification but cooling the planet is well within our reach. And when it starts getting way too warm, everyone will realize what’s happening and everyone will work together on a solution. It’s already starting to happen.

It’s not like a gamma ray burst or an asteroid where there is basically nothing we can do about it. The media makes it look way worse than it is. Stop watching the fear mongers on cnn.

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