It's too bad the eagles aren't as good at obeying national borders as spanish vultures are...
https://bigthink.com/strange-maps/why-do-vultures-care-about...
Migrating Russian eagles run up data roaming charges
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#42Here's the interactive map: https://gps.aquila-it.pl/en/migration-maps/steppe-eagle-russ...
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#43Roaming prices are the equivalent of scamming tourists, I don’t think there’s any body that can prevent it internally unfortunately, it’s just somehow acceptable for companies to shake down travelers for stupid amounts of money.
Well, the EU banned them several years back. One might consider that one of its biggest legislative triumphs :D
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#44Come on operators, waive the bill for science!
They did. It says so in the last paragraph of the article: > Megafon's offer to bail out the team, reported by RIA Novosti news, means they can continue monitoring the eagles' routes, collecting vital data to help their survival.
It seems a prime advertising opportunity. Let the story get out and the crowd funding get underway. Then waive the charge or give a sum of money to the researchers.
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#45Roaming prices are the equivalent of scamming tourists, I don’t think there’s any body that can prevent it internally unfortunately, it’s just somehow acceptable for companies to shake down travelers for stupid amounts of money.
Well, the EU banned them several years back. One might consider that one of its biggest legislative triumphs :D
just inside the EU, if you are going anywhere outside it's going to be expensive again
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#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
Very interesting comment, not because I agree with it, but I think it exposes a classic left vs right wing problem, and that the attitude is applied universally instead of selectively. IMO, the optimal attitude for society would be if everyone was "left-wing" (generous, forgiving,...) toward others/out-groups and "right-wing" (demanding, requesting responsibility,...) toward yourself/in-group.
> IMO, the optimal attitude for society would be if everyone was "left-wing" (generous, forgiving,...) toward others/out-groups and "right-wing" (demanding, requesting responsibility,...) toward yourself/in-group. That's rather odd, because if anything I'd say the opposite is best - you can trust your ingroup to have similar values to you, and thus can afford to forgive them/be generous without being taken advantage…
Well, I think my optimum is just a hypothetical high-trust society in which everyone strives to be self-sufficient but gets supported in case of failure by others. Of course, this is not how the world works, which is more what you are describing. I don't think that is best though, from the perspective of humanity.
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#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, the EU banned them several years back. One might consider that one of its biggest legislative triumphs :D
just inside the EU, if you are going anywhere outside it's going to be expensive again
I switched to a new plan after that rule came into effect and my new plan happens to be a lot worse outside the EU. I am not sure if this is a coincidence.
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#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
> IMO, the optimal attitude for society would be if everyone was "left-wing" (generous, forgiving,...) toward others/out-groups and "right-wing" (demanding, requesting responsibility,...) toward yourself/in-group. That's rather odd, because if anything I'd say the opposite is best - you can trust your ingroup to have similar values to you, and thus can afford to forgive them/be generous without being taken advantage…
Well, I think my optimum is just a hypothetical high-trust society in which everyone strives to be self-sufficient but gets supported in case of failure by others. Of course, this is not how the world works, which is more what you are describing. I don't think that is best though, from the perspective of humanity.
> high-trust society in which everyone strives to be self-sufficient but gets supported in case of failure by others.
But that IS how the world works! Or at least how parts of it have worked and still work. Puritan settlements in the Americas, Mormon communities today, arguably the Nordic countries, other closely knit peoples and communities throughout history... It's just that that comes from favoring the ingroup, not the outgroup.
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#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, I think my optimum is just a hypothetical high-trust society in which everyone strives to be self-sufficient but gets supported in case of failure by others. Of course, this is not how the world works, which is more what you are describing. I don't think that is best though, from the perspective of humanity.
> high-trust society in which everyone strives to be self-sufficient but gets supported in case of failure by others. But that IS how the world works! Or at least how parts of it have worked and still work. Puritan settlements in the Americas, Mormon communities today, arguably the Nordic countries, other closely knit peoples and communities throughout history... It's just that that comes from favoring the ingroup, n…
I think when you remove ingroup and outgroup and just keep the argument for the attitude toward yourself/others it becomes more obvious what I mean. Otherwise it really depends on where you draw the boundary for the ingroup (e.g. your close family)/outgroup (e.g. your neighbors) which leaves a lot of room for interpretation.
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#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
> high-trust society in which everyone strives to be self-sufficient but gets supported in case of failure by others. But that IS how the world works! Or at least how parts of it have worked and still work. Puritan settlements in the Americas, Mormon communities today, arguably the Nordic countries, other closely knit peoples and communities throughout history... It's just that that comes from favoring the ingroup, n…
I think when you remove ingroup and outgroup and just keep the argument for the attitude toward yourself/others it becomes more obvious what I mean. Otherwise it really depends on where you draw the boundary for the ingroup (e.g. your close family)/outgroup (e.g. your neighbors) which leaves a lot of room for interpretation.
I guess my view is that it's easier (and has fewer negative side effects) to get people to care about others by expanding their ingroup than by making them care about their outgroup.