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Migrating Russian eagles run up data roaming charges

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Re: Migrating Russian eagles run up data roaming charges

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In South Africa the traffic lights had some cards in them at one point and the same things happened. Traffic lights smashed so the cards could be used.

That's such a South African story. People will steal anything there (kind of understandable when there's so much poverty.)

They are so poor because the society has no standards, and the state is organized around cultural jingoism rather than pragmatism. They are poor because people will steal anything.

Re: Migrating Russian eagles run up data roaming charges

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think roaming charges apply even when you are calling a number in the same county. Really this is already a good solution, it just needs the right tariff.

As far as I know this kind of additional charge for dialing within the same country exists in some countries, but this should be not confused with "roaming charge" for intra-country roaming.

But if your SIM is away from the home network it is always roaming. The data will be sent back to the home country. So sending an SMS to a local number is like sending an SMS to a foreign number.

Re: Migrating Russian eagles run up data roaming charges

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This is where the ham radio APRS protocol would come in handy. It was designed for position reporting. If course not everywhere would have an APRS receiver, but I'm sure the tracker could cache data until it finds a receiving station.

What are the power requirements for something like that? Since the stations are much less densely distributed than cell towers I'd expect you'd have to use a lot more energy transmitting if you'd hope to get any data. This needs to be light enough to attach to an eagle.

There are APRS transmitters built for balloons that are not much bigger than a matchbox. It's all line-of-sight at the VHF frequencies and you can get quite a good distance on a surprisingly low amount of power. 50 miles on 200mW what's is doable, longer range on less power is not uncommon if the conditionss are in your favour.

Re: Migrating Russian eagles run up data roaming charges

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's such a South African story. People will steal anything there (kind of understandable when there's so much poverty.)

They are so poor because the society has no standards, and the state is organized around cultural jingoism rather than pragmatism. They are poor because people will steal anything.

Very interesting comment, not because I agree with it, but I think it exposes a classic left vs right wing problem, and that the attitude is applied universally instead of selectively. IMO, the optimal attitude for society would be if everyone was "left-wing" (generous, forgiving,...) toward others/out-groups and "right-wing" (demanding, requesting responsibility,...) toward yourself/in-group.

Re: Migrating Russian eagles run up data roaming charges

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think roaming charges apply even when you are calling a number in the same county. Really this is already a good solution, it just needs the right tariff.

It says data roaming not calls. There are specialized tariffs for trackers no idea why they didn't use one.

Is this something you'd need to arrange with each carrier? The article says they didn't expect them to fly to Iran.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are so poor because the society has no standards, and the state is organized around cultural jingoism rather than pragmatism. They are poor because people will steal anything.

Very interesting comment, not because I agree with it, but I think it exposes a classic left vs right wing problem, and that the attitude is applied universally instead of selectively. IMO, the optimal attitude for society would be if everyone was "left-wing" (generous, forgiving,...) toward others/out-groups and "right-wing" (demanding, requesting responsibility,...) toward yourself/in-group.

> IMO, the optimal attitude for society would be if everyone was "left-wing" (generous, forgiving,...) toward others/out-groups and "right-wing" (demanding, requesting responsibility,...) toward yourself/in-group.

That's rather odd, because if anything I'd say the opposite is best - you can trust your ingroup to have similar values to you, and thus can afford to forgive them/be generous without being taken advantage of. On the other hand, outgroups WON'T share your values, and being more generous to them than to the ingroup is just self destructive.

And I would have thought both of those were common sense, too.

Re: Migrating Russian eagles run up data roaming charges

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post #32
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As far as I know this kind of additional charge for dialing within the same country exists in some countries, but this should be not confused with "roaming charge" for intra-country roaming.

But if your SIM is away from the home network it is always roaming. The data will be sent back to the home country. So sending an SMS to a local number is like sending an SMS to a foreign number.

Yeah, except that somehow I found that it doesn't always work this way. I live in the UK, and when I call my mum in Poland using a British sim card, I have to pay extra for making a foreign call. But when she's over here, I can call her for free(using my domestic minutes allowance), even though I'm still dialing a +48 number, the telecom knows that the call is being routed internally and no extra charges are applied. Yes, I was surprised at that too.
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