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Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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I would argue in this narrow case - I would not point to nefarious undercurrents. Google's ML mail spam models are that way because there's too many bad actors. Email, even in 2019, still extremely valuable. If you can get into people's email inbox, there's still quite high conversion rate - better than clicks/videos on a pure percentage basis. Even the author wants to reach out to people in a cold fashion. As a gmai…

"As a business owner, I'm continuously having to do things so I don't end up in spam. Less images, specific wording and the list goes on." We[1] run our own mail and DNS servers and, as you might imagine, have never sent a single HTML email or any email with any kind of "element" in it, etc. Just plain, ASCII text. We've got a 15 year clean IP, perfect score on the "mail config checkers" and almost every single email…

We have the same issue. Online surveys being sent as invites to 100s of 1000s of people per day and although we are good at spotting SPAMMERs setting up free accounts, obviously people will always receive an invite they might consider SPAM and we get derated. Persnally, we find Yahoo is the worst for blocking.

It would be good to have a central registry of mail forwarders so that SPAM is not detected against registered IPs and then issues can be followed up directly with anyone who abuses the system. Do you really want to greylist Amazon SES because one of its users sends out spam?

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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My low volume server can send mail very nicely. You can't however do your job half-assed, lack of strong SPF/TLS/DKIM isn't okay from both Google's and anti-spam perspective.

How are you verifying this? I encourage you to try sending to a gmail address you have never sent to before, I virtually guarantee you are going to end up spamboxed. I know lots of people that run low volume personal type servers, many have claimed that gmail doesn't spambox them, but they were always testing on a (handful of) personal account(s), when I got them to check with an account they had never mailed before,…

I have verified it by helping people sign up for the small service I run and seeing the e-mails pop in their primary inbox. I guess I might be lucky then shrug.

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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There is no way that Google would suddenly start to mark as spam continuations of threads that were perfectly fine between senders that have been in contact for years unless their spam filters were either seriously broken or they tweak them to cause more people to switch to gmail.

I'm afraid you're wrong here, Jacques. When you refer to specific threads going back and forth this may be. But here's my counter example. I sent emails to my girlfriend's gmail address from my own domain hosted on a mail server run by a reputable company for years with no problem, whatsoever. Then, on vacation in Thailand, my rather elaborate trip reports for which there's really no plausible explanation that they c…

To clarify it, the GP is claiming that Google is acting in bad faith, not that you are doing anything wrong.

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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My low volume server can send mail very nicely. You can't however do your job half-assed, lack of strong SPF/TLS/DKIM isn't okay from both Google's and anti-spam perspective.

If you would have actually read the link in the post you're replying to, you would know that Gmail is not accepting mail from me despite that I've spent a huge amount of time in verifying that everything is configured correctly. Also: please stop spreading unsubstantiated claims about your magical server magically sending mail past Gmail's spam filters. There's virtually no chance of that being true, and if it someho…

I don't think it's magic, but okay, I don't have a reasonable way without doxing myself to have you test it out yourself.

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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I would argue in this narrow case - I would not point to nefarious undercurrents. Google's ML mail spam models are that way because there's too many bad actors. Email, even in 2019, still extremely valuable. If you can get into people's email inbox, there's still quite high conversion rate - better than clicks/videos on a pure percentage basis. Even the author wants to reach out to people in a cold fashion. As a gmai…

> Google's ML mail spam models are that way because there's too many bad actors. Email, even in 2019, still extremely valuable. Google's spam models freaking suck donkey dick. I use Fastmail but my university uses Google for email. A service we use (Piazza, class Q&A) sends notifications via email. Over the years I have gotten probably about 1k email notifications from them, and replied to a few of them too. Google h…

Absolutely agree with you. Many people on HN suffers from Stockholm syndrome when it comes to Google. If Google wanted to be a customer focused company instead if being an ad revenue focused one they could expose the knobs to you to fine tune the spam filter. They do not care about users, Gmail does not even have a customer support line that you can call when you ended up in the wrong side of their automation code. I am in the middle of moving out every email address from Google asap. I just realized how disgusting their way of operating is and I do not want to continue contribute to this problem by using their service.

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Google's making us play by their rules: 1. Our ML models see that your emails spam? You're spam. 2. You're using Tor or a VPN? Here's 10 reCaptcha's. 3. Don't use Google Webmaster or use AMPs? Good luck finding your page on the 1st page. 4. Youtube video includes education hacking tutorials? Demonetized. Obviously some alternatives are moving to Fastmail and using Duck Duck Go, but we need Google to stop this "my way…

Could you sue Google for slander in a case like this? They are explicitly labeling your messages as being manipulative or dishonest without any just cause. Why does it matter it’s an algorithm instead of a careless person in power?

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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I am not an email spammer, an SEO spammer, an automated password cracker, or a jaded failed Google canidate. I have my mailserver configured in pretty much an optimal way, with all the special bells and whistles, have never sent spam, and never will. Gmail refuses to deliver my mail, so please don't lump me in with malicious people and then say my concerns should just be ignored.

And is your server sitting on the same IP range as those that do? Do you know? Google provides a service to its users, they don't provide a service to you.

Why would you assume that?

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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I would argue in this narrow case - I would not point to nefarious undercurrents. Google's ML mail spam models are that way because there's too many bad actors. Email, even in 2019, still extremely valuable. If you can get into people's email inbox, there's still quite high conversion rate - better than clicks/videos on a pure percentage basis. Even the author wants to reach out to people in a cold fashion. As a gmai…

> Google's ML mail spam models are that way because there's too many bad actors. Email, even in 2019, still extremely valuable. Instead of just blocking bad actors why not work to prevent bad actors from being a problem in the first place? Oh right, it would go against their business model.

Can you be explicit how they would go about preventing that?
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